Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe.

[KeithieW]

We were chatting in the White Room this morning and the subject of why ABWH's album isn't in the playlist.

I know that Vultures is up there and a Bruford/Levin solo but it seems a shame not to be able to RQ "Long lost brother of mine" and the other tracks from this, I feel, exceptional album.

Any comments Jim, Avian, Roger? I'd be more than happy to donate it if you agree.

[Rick and Roll]

a decent record. by the time I get to the silly "Order of the Universe" I've had enough. But Birthright's a great tune, and Brother of Mine is just an outstanding composition. Might be the best "Yes" tune since the Going for the One record.

[progdirjim]

don't send that record - I think I own it! I guess I've forgotten about that one - I'll give a listen, purge any "silly" tunes, and post it... I always liked "Brother Of Mine", so that at least will make it...

[Rick and Roll]

record of mine:)

[teermin8r]

I like every song on that album. If it had been by the band YES, it would be considered one of their 5 best cds. Definitely one of my favorites.

[kirk]

Originally posted by teermin8r
I like every song on that album. If it had been by the band YES, it would be considered one of their 5 best cds. Definitely one of my favorites.

ditto termin8tor...
including O.O.T.U. love that tune.

R&R-
try writing a "silly" tune like that,
see how far you get.

p e a c e kirk/zenpool

[KeithieW]

I like this track too.........

I honestly think that it would be criminal to leave any track off the playlist.

An all round superb album.

There is a live album out as well. I must admit that I've only seen it as a VHS video/CD boxed set but if anyone's interested I will investigate and report back.

[kirk]

keith- there's a king biscuit concert
around, i have it on cassette.

p/k/z

[KeithieW]

This is the one I was thinking of..........

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=4306

I'll see if it's available stiill.

[progdirjim]

I'm going to upload the whole album, but, Order Of The Universe is not very prog. Has some nice moments, and based on the pedigree of the musicians is worth adding, but c'mon - it's one of Yes's weaker tunes (and I consider ABWH Yes, at least in a general sense). And, in my Yes concert review awhile back, I mentioned a duet with Rick and Jon that was "a throwaway" - listening to ABWH, I figured out that it was "The Meeting" - I'll include it, but that's a pretty lame tune as well...

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by progdirjim
I'm going to upload the whole album, but, Order Of The Universe is not very prog. Has some nice moments, and based on the pedigree of the musicians is worth adding, but c'mon - it's one of Yes's weaker tunes (and I consider ABWH Yes, at least in a general sense). And, in my Yes concert review awhile back, I mentioned a duet with Rick and Jon that was "a throwaway" - listening to ABWH, I figured out that it was "The Meeting" - I'll include it, but that's a pretty lame tune as well...

I read somewhere that the only reason for the very existence of ABWH was that there was a trademark issue over the 'Yes' name that someone was complaining about. Eventually, after (what was it, one or two albums?) they re-formed. So, as far as I can tell, ABWH *IS* Yes, with the exception of a certain bass player.

The point of all this? well, there really isn't one. I can listen to ABWH, but their bass line is a bit weak (yes, I am a Chris Squire fan. Deal.), but some of it is quite prog, from what I've heard.

No point to this, just spewing my normal opinions all over the place.

Roger -Dot- Lee, being particularly pointless today, I suppose.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Keith Waye
Any comments Jim, Avian, Roger? I'd be more than happy to donate it if you agree.
It's been many years since I've listened to "Long Lost", so I can't personally say for sure. Once I give it a listen I'll be in a better position to judge. But from what I've read, I"m kinda iffy. If I could borrow an MP3 from someone, I'd be delighted to chime in with a little more than vague personal opinions on a matter that I have little memory of.

Roger -Dot- Lee, cramming an "I don't know" into as many words as possible. As usual.

[kirk]

hey roger-
that's tony levin on ABWH playing bass...
although i agree, squire's near irreplaceable .

jim's awakened the "prog/not prog" dragon-
...and from other recent threads, it only had one eye shut..

i hear a lot of discussion of who is/isn't,
but i'd like to discuss definition, get some opinions
on where everyone thinks prog's heading,
what elements will be incorporated to
keep the genre from going stagnant ect.

i.e.- is it the time signature, the subject matter,
the choice of instruments, a hammond over that
new soft synth? ambience-good, tech-bad?

i've heard everything from mannheim steamroller(?)
to tubular bells on A.M. this past couple....
and OOTU "isn't very prog"? buh?

p/k/z

[Rick and Roll]

80% of what I listen to is not prog, so the whole prog not prog thing doesn't register with me.

I'll listen to OOTU again and I'll figure out what bothers me. It's been a long time. Maybe it reminds me of a Coke commercial (although FM's "One O'Clock Tomorrow"'s chorus does the same thing, and I love that tune).

"Brother of Mine" is not exceptionally proggy either, but compositionally it's as perfect as a song can be (especially the last 45 seconds is just magic), and the playing is superior.

And finally, I'll leave the writing to the experts (although I used to make up full songs in my head when I was bored).

Rick and roll, award winner "best pain in the ass 2004"

[kirk]

:D i knew that wouldn't go unchallenged.

hey, to each his own, which is why i don't make sweeping statements in regard to taste.

most of what yes has done since GFTO hasn't
really been "prog" by today's definition.

take "the ladder" fr'instance- "if only you knew"(ick)
is AOR, "nine voices" could be classified as "world",
although a very "progressive" piece.
we have to split the hair of "prog the genre",
and playing progressively, which is an artistic
statement, advancing music in general.

the death of any band or artist is to try and define themselves by a genre label, or worse- to pander to an audience.

my philosophy- "genres are for record stores".

p/k/z

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by kirk
hey, to each his own, which is why i don't make sweeping statements in regard to taste.


Oh, I do. All the time. Like "Rap should be swept under the carpet" and "Anyone who thinks there's only two types of music needs 15 mins of Aural Moon to be proven wrong(*).


the death of any band or artist is to try and define themselves by a genre label, or worse- to pander to an audience.


You ain't whistlin' dixie here...

Roger -Dot- Lee


(*) managed to convert a die-hard country/western fan with 15 minutes of AM last tuesday evening. Didn't have to do anything but keep it playing.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by kirk
: my philosophy- "genres are for record stores".

p/k/z

Very nicely said.

I wish I has a picture for my award.:D

[kirk]

rick-
thanks man.:cool:
the real one's hanging in my studio.

that was an honor and shock at the same time,
i actually have 5 of these things!
i was nominated, a finalist in 5 categories.
( it was for my solo stuff)
be glad to post them all!...:D

roger- congrats on that conversion!
preach the good word brother.
'kind of hard to escape country there in georgia
innit? i'm originally from indiana, i know the deal.
hey, i thought i'd mention-
i'm doing some voice stings to accompany
"majiker"'s release. i'd be glad to do
one for your show.

keith- this has to be proof i have too many cds, vids-
the live ABWH is "an evening of yesmusic plus",
a double cd. i also have the video, but haven't seen
it on dvd.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by kirk
roger- congrats on that conversion! preach the good word brother.


Oh, you KNOW I will. I've been slowly trying to corrupt most of the people I work with. This is my first (and I thought would be my toughest) conversion. Of course, he's younger than the rest, so...


'kind of hard to escape country there in georgia innit? i'm originally from indiana, i know the deal.


Regrettably, yes. There are 12 C/W stations, 2 "Classic Rock" stations (that play the same 15 songs 24x7 (if I hear Sweet Home Alabama one more time...)), 1 classical part of the time and NPR Prattle the rest of the time (with a 3 hour Jazz show on Saturday Nights that's fairly cool) station, and 3 Rap stations. Even the College Station plays junk (2 hours Industrial, 2 hours "Political Talk (read agenda laden yammering)", and the rest split evenly between "Classic Rock" and Rap).

For such a metropolis, the Radio Landscape of Atlanta is a wasteland. If I had the dough, I'd slap up an antenna and pipe Aural Moon to the Great Unwashed Masses.

Of course, there's a song or two that would need a rename, but that's another story...


hey, i thought i'd mention-i'm doing some voice stings to accompany "majiker"'s release. i'd be glad to do one for your show.


Now THAT'S an offer that I'd be VERY hard pressed to pass on. I'd truly be grateful for such a boon.

Now all I need to do is get my Audio Generation Problem(TM) fixed, and I'm live.

Roger -Dot- Lee

[KeithieW]

Originally posted by kirk
keith- this has to be proof i have too many cds, vids-
the live ABWH is "an evening of yesmusic plus",
a double cd. I also have the video, but haven't seen
it on dvd.

I've got a bid in on eBay for the 2CD+Vid collection that I'll donate should I win it.

The CD is pretty good I must say. The first few tracks are the Band doing all their solo stuff and then they get going with the gig proper.

Tony Levin isn't playing this gig. Instead they've got Jeff Berlin on bass. Not a bad stand in I'd say. :D

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Roger Lee

So, as far as I can tell, ABWH *IS* Yes, with the exception of a certain bass player.


Yeah, Chris Squire owns the name "Yes" since he's the only original member left by Drama. So when Anderson got tired of battling Rabin and tried to get back to a 70s lineup, Squire and White said no dice. So Anderson called the recently bandless Bruford and tried to become Yes, but were barred, so thus ABWH. Of couse, Jon persisted and we eventually got Union. There's a good story about Rabin and David Gilmour having supper in 1988 so they could complain to each other about the legal battles over the names of their respective bands' names. Then they both release albums in 1994 about communication and featuring Stephen Hawking references... Weird.

[kirk]

yeah, squire owns the name, and i believe
howe owns the roger dean logo.

you'll notice that if steve isn't present, either is roger dean.

when the relayer-era yes members all released
their first solo albums, howe's "beginnings"
was the only one to feature a dean cover.

dean painted the window of howe's health food store
"brownies" in the early 70's.

[teermin8r]

very interesting.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by kirk
when the relayer-era yes members all released
their first solo albums, howe's "beginnings"
was the only one to feature a dean cover.


Huh, I never realized that. But isn't Olias of Sunhillow a Roger Dean cover? I always assumed it was....

[Yesspaz]

From AMG:
"If possible, pick up the LP version of this release, since the packaging is stunning and features terrific artwork by Dave Roe. "

Nope, not Dean. Good job Kirk...