What about a little bit of Malmsteen ?

[Sharuru]

I guess the guitar fans have requested it a lot of times, but try again. We've got some Satriani , we've got some metal as well (pain Of Salvation, Lana Lane), some metal-ish songs, i e aLkemia, Stange fish, so why not. For example Trilogy, or rising force are quite proggish...

Guitar-liking Moonies, help me :D

[Rick and Roll]

Before Yngwie, I would expect some Steve Vai and the like to be added, they're a lot more worthy.

That being said....

Rising force I LOVE. So, I will work a song or two into my show at some point.

Too many things to play! this is GREAT!

[Sharuru]

good

can't waut to hear this show.Although I have to know when it's on air in my area...
:D

[Yesspaz]

YMalm has chops, but what about that elusive quality called "taste"? That's the reason so many don't like Dream Theater. There're a lot of guitar heroes here, but they are generally tasteful: DiMeola, McLaughlin, Palacios..., Frehley.

PS, I'm asking if he's tasteful or not. I've never heard him, but that's the most common critique I hear.

[progdirjim]

the little I've heard of Malmsteen I wasn't impressed with - he shreds, but with little compostional value. But I've heard so little, I remain open minded. He is clearly talented...

[Sharuru]

of course he's done a lot of crap and he got a serious ego problem, but that being said he has been a part of the neo-classical mouvement, and has some really proggy tracks, putting aside his ability on guitar.

Of course if you don't like light-speed guitar playing, that's a problem but...

And personally, I prefer a lot M Romeo of Symphony X, but this guy is heavy and doesn't fit to AM (ballads would do it although).

[teermin8r]

The Malmsteen album that has the best chance of making Aural Moon in my opinion is

Concerto Suite For Electric Guitar And Orchestra In Flat Minor Op.1

A very good album with a classical concept. If you get a chance listen to Prelude to April. Awesome song.

[Rick and Roll]

the only one I like and own is Rising Force. It's heavier, but it's fine. Saw him open up for Triumuph in '83 I think...he swung the guitar around his back.

Jens Johannsen is all over that record too.

Jim assessment is fair......it's the compositional value that is at play. He's got that...it's just not real exciting.

Laying off the "taste" comment - don't really agree with that term. It's difficult to be super-fast and be interesting. I think Steve Vai comes close.

[fugazifan]

yngwie malmsteen is jesus christ on guitar i own every album by yngwie im yngwie malmsten freak yngwie malmsteen led me to prog rock lol the album which should be on here is attack his new one and alchemy these two are my faves yngwie is getting better every year derek sherinian is on his new album attack not much of him on it but next one by yngiwe if derek is on hell get his chops in hopefully yngwie goes thru musicians like water only thing that stinks but progressive in someway when dones this way reminds me of ayreons approach to music making long reply here

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by fugazifan
yngwie malmsteen is jesus christ on guitar i own every album by yngwie im yngwie malmsten freak yngwie malmsteen led me to prog rock lol the album which should be on here is attack his new one and alchemy these two are my faves yngwie is getting better every year derek sherinian is on his new album attack not much of him on it but next one by yngiwe if derek is on hell get his chops in hopefully yngwie goes thru musicians like water only thing that stinks but progressive in someway when dones this way reminds me of ayreons approach to music making long reply here

can you say "stream of consciousness"?:D

[fugazifan]

my fave track stream of consciousness soundsl ike yngwie when i heard it then found out it was dt bought the album and said petrucci gones the way i wanted

[moses]

Come on, it's time to give give give!

You know you have extra punctuation sitting around at your house that you're not using. If you're like me you have entire shelves and drawers full of commas periods and exclamation points. This post is even doing without some of the punctuation I would normally use so that I can share with others

The thing is that some of our dear friends here on the moon have no punctuation to call their own. Some haven't had a comma in weeks. I think it's time that those of us that have extra give a little bit to those in need. Send those extras to Yulee Florida where a collection team will sort them out and distribute them.

Just kidding fugazifan! Love ya, and welcome to the Moon! :)

[Rick and Roll]

:D :D :D :D :D

Maybe we could borrow some from G!!Y,,!!!B@#@#@E*&^^^

[Bob Lentil]

Originally posted by moses
Come on, it's time to give give give!

You know you have extra punctuation sitting around at your house that you're not using. If you're like me you have entire shelves and drawers full of commas periods and exclamation points. This post is even doing without some of the punctuation I would normally use so that I can share with others

The thing is that some of our dear friends here on the moon have no punctuation to call their own. Some haven't had a comma in weeks. I think it's time that those of us that have extra give a little bit to those in need. Send those extras to Yulee Florida where a collection team will sort them out and distribute them.Unbeknownst to many, I have been personally been running an underground punctuation theft ring in Yulee, Florida for some time now. We take from the needy to squander for our own twisted pleasure. .?!,;:.?!,;:.?!,;:.?!,;: Fwahhahahaah!!!!!

[roger]

Originally posted by Bob Lentil .?!,;:.?!,;:.?!,;:.?!,;:
ah, the crow flies at midnight...

[fugazifan]

excuse me idiots i have an english problem who cares if i dont punctustes it not your damn buisness christ i sucked at graamar in school and if one more person mocks it ill personally find a way to shove my foot uup your ass got it get voer it hypothetical aliens

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by fugazifan
excuse me idiots i have an english problem who cares if i dont punctustes it not your damn buisness christ i sucked at graamar in school and if one more person mocks it ill personally find a way to shove my foot uup your ass got it get voer it hypothetical aliens

considering your other posts had zero spelling errors, i find this post a little hard to follow.

Also you spelled "hypothetical" correctly (better than I) but misspelled "up". Is it you that is poking fun at us? Because we certainly weren't.

If I am incorrect, I apologize.

[moses]

...Moses will learn to keep his mouth shut! (errr, fingers crossed?)

I apologize for starting this. Don't be angry fugazifan, none of this was intended to be mean.

[KeithieW]

Originally posted by moses
Don't be angry fugazifan, none of this was intended to be mean.

Absolutely!!!!

When you get to know the Moon better (and we all hope you stick around fugazifan) you'll see that we always have a laugh and a joke with each other. It's never malicious though. If I were to take umbrage at some of the things people post about me there would be WW3 breaking out. I know it's not meant and take it for the joke that it is.

Enjoy the Moon for what it is. A great place to meet people and listen to SUPERB music.

[RogorMortis]

I've read some programming code during my life but I do need another compiler to understand Fugazi.

How about in Cobol

[QuantumJo]

Originally posted by moses

You know you have extra punctuation sitting around at your house that you're not using.
My Apostrophe gets regular use.

[KeithieW]

Originally posted by QuantumJo
My Apostrophe gets regular use.
Well, at least once that we know of QJ :p

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by fugazifan
excuse me idiots i have an english problem who cares if i dont punctustes it not your damn buisness christ i sucked at graamar in school and if one more person mocks it ill personally find a way to shove my foot uup your ass got it get voer it hypothetical aliens

Idiots? For knowing more about English than you? No one called you any names, so you doing so is hardly appropriate.

Not our damn business? Then don't post on a public forum.

Mocks? I thought Moses' post was pretty funny. I see no need to get worked up over it.

Physical threats? Not tolerated here. Please don't do it again or we will ban you from posting.

[Rick and Roll]

I wasn't going to get upset.....part of me still thinks it's a hoax.

But if I am wrong.....then continue the responses!

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I wasn't going to get upset.....part of me still thinks it's a hoax.

But if I am wrong.....then continue the responses!

If it's a hoax, then good for fugazifan, he got me. But, physical threats still are not tolerated here.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by progdirjim
If it's a hoax, then good for fugazifan, he got me. But, physical threats still are not tolerated here.

agreed. and when it comes to these things, I'm not really a good judge, so you all are probably right.

Your move, jonathan! (see his gagliarchives post, how i know his name;)

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I wasn't going to get upset.....part of me still thinks it's a hoax.

But if I am wrong.....then continue the responses!

I promised myself I was going to stay out of this. I suppose I need to work on my self control a little.

Anyway, it's no hoax. It's too consistent with everything else that fugazifan has posted.

Personally, I generally skip over posts like that (and delete them if they end up in my email box). This is why I didn't see the threat of physical harm in his last screed.

I'm with Jim. It won't be tolerated. Period. One more time and that's it.

Roger -Dot- Lee ObIrony: do it again and I'll kick yer butt!

[podakayne]

2 bad fugazi didn't get the joke...we all did. plez fugazi lighten up a bit. your english was fine...just take a breath once in a while...makes it easier to follow your thoughts...OR NOT....we leave that all up to you....as you can see i almost never use a cap, definitive period, etc, etc....but i try to break up my text so you can follow my conversation...

and i definitely agree with jim and roger—your response to moses...(our dear moses) was totally unwarranted...we've many listeners/posters who dont have english as a first language....pains me you felt you had to lash out like that.

hoping you quiet down a bit(just my 2 cents)
poda

p.s. rick! you left your parenthesis open!:eek:

Your move, jonathan! (see his gagliarchives post, how i know his name :)

[podakayne]

moses i thought what your post was brilliant!...bob your's 2

[fugazifan]

alright sprry i took offense i take peole literally. i dont know where to use punct so ill try. to use it here, as you can see i really stink at gramamr skills no lie, so this post im trying to work on if you can follow me. thanx moonies

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by fugazifan
alright sprry i took offense i take peole literally. i dont know where to use punct so ill try. to use it here, as you can see i really stink at gramamr skills no lie, so this post im trying to work on if you can follow me. thanx moonies

no thank you;)

[fugazifan]

this is the longest yngwie discussion ever, as for shuru who started the topic, yngwie is good musician he plays with hert and soul, i own all his cds seen him live 20 plus times live, and he has my interest till i die and he dies. keeep on rocking in the free world:o :o :o

[teermin8r]

"Keep on rockin' in the free world" - Neil Young :D

[Yesspaz]

I so almost did the same thing. I think I'll play some Neil on an upcoming BRock.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
I so almost did the same thing. I think I'll play some Neil on an upcoming BRock.

Just let me know well ahead of time if you do for sure. I detest Neil Young. In fact, the best version of any of his works that I've ever heard was by a joke polka band on an accordian. It was a significant improvement, in my opinion.

Roger -Dot- Lee, founding member of the Neil Young Anti-Fan Club

[teermin8r]

Your just upset cause Ronnie Van Zant said a Southern Man doesn't need Neil Young :D

[teermin8r]

BTW, if you tell Spaz not to do something, he's definetly gonna do it, now. :D

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by fugazifan
alright sprry i took offense i take peole literally. i dont know where to use punct so ill try. to use it here, as you can see i really stink at gramamr skills no lie, so this post im trying to work on if you can follow me. thanx moonies

and here's the thing - even though this isn't perfect, it is MUCH easier to read than when you didn't even try to use punctuation. Minus a comma or two, which is probably the hardest punctuation mark to use correctly, you got it right.

Thanks for trying...

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by Roger Lee
Just let me know well ahead of time if you do for sure. I detest Neil Young. In fact, the best version of any of his works that I've ever heard was by a joke polka band on an accordian. It was a significant improvement, in my opinion.

Roger -Dot- Lee, founding member of the Neil Young Anti-Fan Club

wow, really? Neil Young is one of my favorite all time artists in any genre. His Greendale concert (as I posted here at the time) was one of the best concerts I've EVER been to. Kind of amazing that we can agree on some music so strongly, and have polar opposite opinions on Neil...

(If Rick hadn't taken the Sunday EP slot, Greendale would have been one of my choices for last Sunday's show. I guess I would have had to cue that one up myself, hah?)

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by progdirjim
wow, really? Neil Young is one of my favorite all time artists in any genre. His Greendale concert (as I posted here at the time) was one of the best concerts I've EVER been to. Kind of amazing that we can agree on some music so strongly, and have polar opposite opinions on Neil...

Bizarre, isn't it?

I think my biggest problem with Neil Young is my perception that he has a nasally whine ala-buzzing mosquito singing voice. Now I realize that I'm definitely not in the majority in my assessment of his voice, but MAN it grates on my nerves in the WORST way. Always has.

I've heard tell that his live show is something completely different and that I should give his live show a shot before condemning him like I do, but I just can't justify plunking down my hard earned dough on a proposition like that.


(If Rick hadn't taken the Sunday EP slot, Greendale would have been one of my choices for last Sunday's show. I guess I would have had to cue that one up myself, hah?)

I'm afraid so, Jim. I would have had a VERY hard time bringing myself to queueing it up. Principles, donchaknow. I could have gotten things lined up, but hitting that last button....I'm just not sure I could have done it, ya know?

Roger -Dot- Lee, it's the principle of the thing, you see....

[Yesspaz]

You're right R.L, you are in the minority. I love Neil Young's voice. He'll never get an award, but if I can describe it in one word that would is "haunting." He take can simple phrases, put that haunting tenor on them, and it's the best music of all time.

I heard a perfect echo die into an anoymous wall of digital sound.

[teermin8r]

I have to admit I'm a Neil young fan myself.

[Elric68]

Then post a subject called 'Neil Young' ... For Malmsteen I must admit his technique is perfect but I can't feel any emotionnal stuff in his music ... I think music, especially prog rock or metal must communicate feelings to the listeners ...
By the way I think Malmsteen worked with Jens Johannson, who is Stratovarius keyboardist ... Try to listen to Stratovarius recent albums ... kind of a progressive metal/speed metal music. You'll probably have the feeling you've heard 10 times the same song when the disc will be over ... Then you'll know what I think after listening to Rising Force.

[Elric68]

By the way I love Neil Young :D , especially Rockin' in the Free World, that you mentioned sooner.

[Rick and Roll]

Don't like his voice......enjoy his music. Only thing I detest is "Neil Is God" garbage. He's a good songwriter. If he's a visionary, the natives on Deneb 3625 are laughing at us. :(

I love Decade. And the Crazy Horse stuff is intense (remember the dude walking in circles...the bass player maybe?). Cortez the Killer, etc...love it.

He's put out some piss poor stuff though...his cover on "On Broadway" is atrocious.

Comes A Time....what a tune!

Long may you run!

(Elric only on the Moon forum can we jump from Yngwie to Neil...I'll bet Neil even may like Yngwie)!

[prythm]

:eek: nasally whine ala-buzzing mosquito singing voice

All due respect, and respect to all, I'm with you on this Roger. I just never quite understood.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by prythm
:eek:

All due respect, and respect to all, I'm with you on this Roger. I just never quite understood.

I'm glad I'm not alone in my views of Kneel.

I think I also isolated one of the things that bothers me about him. My exposure to him has been mainly the pap that shows up on the Top! Of! The! Rock! Q99 ROQ or whatever the local equivalent happens to be, so my view might not be the most accurate of his entire body of work.

Having said that, I think one of the most irritating things about his 'music' is the pompus self-congratulatory socially correct commentary that he's constantly trying to thrust down my throat. I probably had the end of it on the 25,000,000,000th playing of "Southern Man", back in 1992, that set me off.

There are other artists that make my teeth itch; some even on The Moon. But few artists have the ability to make me cringe so badly as Kneel Jung.

And his kid can't sing either.

Roger -Dot- Lee, BAH! BAH! I say...

[teermin8r]

And his kid can't sing either.

Are you sure you don't have him confused with Bob Dylan? :D

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by teermin8r
And his kid can't sing either.

Are you sure you don't have him confused with Bob Dylan? :D

They both sound alike anyway. They both annoy me.

And yeah, the Osbournes are the musical equivalent of Microsoft in my eyes, too. :D

Roger -Dot- Lee, there's a difference between the two?

[Yesspaz]

Ahhh! Blasphemy! Neil Young and Crazy Horse's "Change Your Mind" will be played on the next BrainRock epic show. I beseech thee listen and appraise the wonder. If not - deal :cool: :D.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Ahhh! Blasphemy! Neil Young and Crazy Horse's "Change Your Mind" will be played on the next BrainRock epic show. I beseech thee listen and appraise the wonder. If not - deal :cool: :D.

That's OK, I've got a substantial collection of tunes on my system, and my keyboard has a mute button built in, and I know how to use it.

Roger -Dot- Lee, called "quickdraw" for a very good reason.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
Only thing I detest is "Neil Is God" garbage. He's a good songwriter. If he's a visionary, the natives on Deneb 3625 are laughing at us. :(

I

I'm quoting myself here to illustate a basic point: it's not his fault he's been elevated to such status. Same thing with Springshit and Tom Petty and Bob Dylan and Buffett. "Everybody Must Get Stoned" or whatever the hell that song is called is one of the most unlistenable pieces of garbage I have ever heard, yet it's beloved. Let's put the onus on the real problem, the yuppies that keep this stuff going.

I really don't think Neil Young gives a rat's ass about how he's perceived. That's the bottom line here.

[Yesspaz]

I agree with Bob Dylan and Jimmy Buffet, but don't knock Tom Petty and The Boss around me!!!:mad: :D

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
I agree with Bob Dylan and Jimmy Buffet, but don't knock Tom Petty and The Boss around me!!!:mad: :D

The Mount Rushmore of unlistenable music. :p

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
The Mount Rushmore of unlistenable music. :p

top 5 post there!

[progdirjim]

but all this debate just goes to show what I was trying to say in a different post - music is SUBJECTIVE. Any attempt to make it objective gets silly quick.

I like Neil young a lot, I think he's a great songwriter. If you don't like his voice, there's not a lot of hope you'll like many songs from him, because he's primarily a singer/songwriter. And, as Rick pointed out, he has put out some really bad stuff. "Landing On Water" is a bad album through and through. "Old Days" and "Everybody's Rocking" were shameful attempts at reacting to current trends.

I like Bob Dylan less, mainly because Dylan's voice irritates me somewhat - he brought poetry into rock (or was one of the first at least), and deserves some credit for that. But again, if you don't like his voice, you're not going to like him.

I like Springsteen- similar songwriting and voice discussions can apply here.

Petty (to ME) is just OK - some good stuff, some pop crap. I don't get how he is compared to the icons - but how can you objectively define that? If his music speaks to you, I won't try to change your opinion. And I guess this is ultimately my point - music is really personal - so why try to take that away from someone? Conversely, why try to change people to your point of view? Neil Young's music moves me - regardless of whether there's a billion or zero people who agree with me.

(Buffett is great at what he does - which is simple party music about boats and beaches and drinking. HE doesn't take himself seriously, so neither should you.)

[Bob Lentil]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
The Mount Rushmore of unlistenable music. :p

I'm breaking out my hammer and chisel and carving out some space for John Mellencamp while we're at it.

(Mellencamp is #1 on my list of worst artists of all time.)

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Bob Lentil
I'm breaking out my hammer and chisel and carving out some space for John Mellencamp while we're at it.

(Mellencamp is #1 on my list of worst artists of all time.)

I like two of his tunes......

"I need a poster who wont drive me crazy.....just state your opinion, and then go away" :D

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by progdirjim
Petty (to ME) is just OK - some good stuff, some pop crap. I don't get how he is compared to the icons - but how can you objectively define that? If his music speaks to you, I won't try to change your opinion. Petty to me IS an icon. If I had to pick between Tom Petty and a lot of the cloner-poser prog, I'll take Petty every day. He is a great songwriter. He occasionally does some off-the-cuff fun-and-meaningless songs, but most of his songs are deceptively deep. In fact, I think he embodied the spirit of prog when he wrote:

Well you can’t turn him into a company man
You can’t turn him into a whore
And the boys upstairs just don’t understand anymore
Well the top brass don’t like him talking so much
And he won’t play what they say to play
And he don’t want to change what don’t need to change
And there goes the last DJ
Who plays what he wants to play
And says what he wants to say
Hey, hey, hey
And there goes your freedom of choice
There goes the last human voice
There goes the last DJ

Well some folks say they’re gonna hang him so high
Because you just can’t do what he did
There’s some things you just can’t put in the minds of those kids
As we celebrate mediocrity all the boys upstairs want to see
How much you’ll pay for what you used to get for free
And there goes the last DJ
Who plays what he wants to play
And says what he wants to say
Hey, hey, hey
And there goes your freedom of choice
There goes the last human voice
And there goes the last DJ

Well he got him a station down in Mexico
And sometimes it will kinda come in
And I’ll bust a move and remember how it was back then
There goes the last DJ
Who plays what he wants to play
And says what he wants to say
Hey, hey, hey
And there goes your freedom of choice
There goes the last human voice
And there goes the last DJ


Check out this interview/article (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5933643?rnd=1097022501468&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040). I'll tease it for you...

The man who told the world "I Won't Back Down," "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Don't Come Around Here No More" doesn't need any assertiveness-training course. Tom Petty's determined, sometimes defiant attitude has collided with the music business throughout the years. For instance, in 1982 Petty recorded Hard Promises with the Heartbreakers, only to find that his then-record company had plans to use his name to initiate a new, higher $9.98 list price for albums. Petty withheld the tapes and threatened to retitle his record $8.98 in protest.

and this quote about his song The Last DJ, quoted above, being banned from radio:

"I don't really give a flying fuck about any of it. I've tuned out. But I was elated when my song was banned. I mean, nothing could have complimented me more than to hear they just banned it at such-and-such a station because it's anti-radio. Now, in 2002 to have a song banned that doesn't have a dirty word, doesn't advocate violence -- it's fascinating, you know. Like, what are you afraid of? No record has ever been made that was more pro-radio, you know.

[Rick and Roll]

but ok, the music just bores me.

[KeithieW]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
but ok, the music just bores me.
Like we always end up agreeing on "It's really all just a matter of taste" :)

[Elric68]

This is anything we say every time we discuss about tastes Keithie ... anyways Malmsteen shouldn't appear on the Moon in my opinion

[VAXman]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I'm quoting myself here to illustate a basic point: it's not his fault he's been elevated to such status. Same thing with Springshit and Tom Petty and Bob Dylan and Buffett. "Everybody Must Get Stoned" or whatever the hell that song is called is one of the most unlistenable pieces of garbage I have ever heard, yet it's beloved. Let's put the onus on the real problem, the yuppies that keep this stuff going.

I really don't think Neil Young gives a rat's ass about how he's perceived. That's the bottom line here.

I've never understood the Springsteen thing myself and I'm residing in the fatherland. If you said that here Rick, they'd lynch you. ;) I spoke with him at the bar of one of the Seastreak ferryboats back in the autumn of 2001 on the way home from a computer security dog-n-pony gig I did at a NYC bank. He and his mother took the ferry from Highlands (Bruce resides in Rumson so the Seastreak is almost in his backyard) to go to the city. He's very pleasant to speak with and when he asked me what my favorite song of his was, I said none of them. He didn't seem surprised and just kept talking.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by VAXman
when he asked me what my favorite song of his was, I said none of them.

That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. Even I wouldn't say that!

(don't know if I can work now) :p