Interesting discussion in Prog Music Soceity......

[KeithieW]

Thought it might be good to bring it here too.

With EPIC tracks there are certain sections that people love and wait for........"I get up, I get down" in CTTE for example.

Do any of you Moonies have fave sections in epic tracks?

One that springs to mind with me is in Tull's "A Passion Play". The mood changes and Ian sings "Flee the icy Lucifer, Oh he's an awful fellow................."

A great section in a great Epic.

Any more?

[Bob Lentil]

One of my favorites is the melodramatic part in 2112 where Geddy sings:

I wish that it might come to pass
Not fade like all my dreams
Just think of what my life might be
In a world like I have seen
I don’t think I can carry on
Carry on this cold and empty life

I wait for it in eager anticipation every time I listen to 2112.

[zvinki]

Good topic there Keith. The Tool fans call that a Tool-gasm.

That's the same moment in 2112 that I hold my breath as well Bob. I can't think of any others right now since my mind is so muddled except for The Great Nothing moment which happens to be a musical passage so I can't describe it very well. As I listen to the moon and they pop up I'll list them here.

[KeithieW]

1) The bit in The Remembering on Tales... leading up to Jon singing "Surely, Surely"
2) The final part of "Ritual" with Steve Howe's guitar coda and those final notes...........bliss.
3) The Apocalypse part of Suppers ready.

[Rick and Roll]

I tend to like 8-15 minute tunes that are tight and connected. Sometimes the long epics are too long. An exception is CTTE - it's fascinating all the way through.

For SB, I like "At The End Of The Day" - I get more pleasure out of that than the great zero :) .

Discipline's "Canto IV" is powerful and marvelous at 13 minutes. I like Epics I can be excited all the way through.

OK, now to finally answer the question...parts like the passage in "Thick" where Ian says "You put your bet on # 1 and it comes up every time". The instrumental interplay is great.

My favorite "Epic" has to be "Stardust We Are". Nowhere in that tune do I see a section that's overlong, unneeded, or bloated.

[RogorMortis]

Always look foward to:

The blow of the whistle and the exclamation "All Change" in Suppers Ready (I'm a train buff as well)

THe mass guitars from Gilmour in Pink Floyds "Meddle" towards the end

Jon Andersons rendition "They move fast the tell me....." in RSOG

and of course the main chorus in "And you and I" from CTTE.

and I can continue until the sun goes down and up again.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Hoo boy. You did ask.

I've got a number of these.

My personal favorite wait-for moments, however, rarely can be expressed in written word. They're usually musical passages (like the swell after "I get up I get down in CTTE). This is by no means exclusively the case, but tends to follow in this theme.

They include:

From The Great Nothing by Spock's Beard:
The musical passages leading up to and surrounding:

"The boy's got potential, but he's never had commercial success...."

and

"The boy has no potential, and he'll never have commercial success...."

etc. The drum work in there is impeccable and the keyboard work that surrounds it is phenomenal. My favorite part of a well engineered song from one end to the other. They have mastered the fact that the silences between the notes are as important if not more so than the notes themselves. A piece of musical engineering on the scale of the Boeing 747 or the world's great bridges: an awesome experience.

From Grendel by Marillion:

Start at one end, work your way through. A masterful work in dynamics and imagery. It starts out very darkly and gets darker as the song goes on. "Preistly heads bow in shame..." "Mother Nature's Bastard Child, shunned by leaf and stream" But my very favorite cheeck clenching moment is toward the end when Grendel declares that he's had enough of their "Ugly pale skin and their putrid green eyes", their "Pretty Pretty speeches" and "all their viscious slander". That entire segment is my favorite. It takes the rage of a much maligned monster and focuses it directly where it belongs.

I tend to start gnawing the furniture about then, and the kids know to stay out of the way, as they know they're crunchy and good with ketchup.

Another wonderfully engineered song that mixes the human voice with keyboards, percussion and strings to make an epic of, well, epic proportions.

From Mundus Incompertus by Par Lindh Project

This more classicly based chart is one of those that I'd mentioned earlier -- they don't really have any vocals from which to anchor my preferences. They also have grasped the concept that silence can be used as a musical tool. The wind-up to a dead stop right before unleashing the organ and percussionry sends a chill down my spine. This chart is filled with them. I'd give anything to be able to see it performed live. They MUST have more than one drummer as with the amount of work that's in this piece would leave one mortal human exhausted about half way in.

From The Firebird Suite by Igor Stravinsky

This piece, out of a very wide library of classical music, likely personifies what Progressive Rock is to me. I feel that it's a shame that someone like Par Lindh Project or perhaps a group involving Martin Orford doesn't take this one on and arrange it for a more modern ensemble. Specifically the Bercuse and the Finale, the final two movements of this wonderful suite. Starting off with a haunting bassoon feature, with visualizations of misty glades, full moons, and other stuff that tends to make the hair on the back of my head stand on end, following into a French Horn feature (that, incidentally, helped my high school orchestra win the 1982 California state orchestral championships, and about the only song that would ever put a French Horn in my hands again) that could easily be the most haunting pieces of "slowly waking up" musical imagery that's been recorded (or at least heard and/or played by me). See the beginnings of Siberian Khartu (yes, Rick, I know it's "Khatru" or whatever. I like it better this way. Deal.) on Yessongs for an example of this.

But the finale. Oh my, the finale.

There are very few songs I can actually say this about with a straight face: If your ears aren't bleeding after they're done, it's NOT LOUD ENOUGH. Designed with brass musicians in mind, this was actually my first experience with non-standard (ie non 2, 3, or 4) time signatures, and was one of the defining moments of an otherwise unmemorable high school career. During the final concert of the year, we borrowed heavily from the marching band, arming them with such extravagances as sixteen marching french horns, twelve marching euphoniums, twenty four bell-front tubas and eight contrabass bugles. The sight of a four measure bell up gave my parents enough warning to put in the earplugs. The risers we were sitting on actually recoiled two inches simply from the opening note. We had a recording made of the concert. You could actually hear someone say "Oh shit" when the horns came up.

It was fucking GREAT!

There are others, but I believe I've spewed on long enough. I heartily congratulate anyone with the fortitude to wade through it this far. :D

Roger -Dot- Lee, "Of all the pains in asses, he's the worst I've had the bad taste to know"

[KeithieW]

That man has a passion that I adore in people. More power to you Roger.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Roger Lee
Siberian Khartu (yes, Rick, I know it's "Khatru" or whatever. I like it better this way. Deal.)

If I was THAT concerned I'd have said Keith misspelled "society"
:D

But I didn't. Until now.

[KeithieW]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
If I was THAT concerned I'd have said Keith misspelled "society"
:D

But I didn't. Until now.
Just as well or I would kick your butt into touch when I see you. :D

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Keith Waye
That man has a passion that I adore in people. More power to you Roger.

Thank you, Keithie. This is one subject (of many, I suppose) that I get truly riled up about without spewing venom.

And life's too short to spend it all spewing venom, ya know?

And let me know if you need help with Rick. We can use him in Scrumm if necessary (just to soften him up a bit, you see).

Roger -Dot- Lee, Go All Blacks! Humiliate the Springboks! Again!

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Roger Lee
And let me know if you need help with Rick. We can use him in Scrumm if necessary (just to soften him up a bit, you see).



Oh yeah! Well I'll just call my friends.....ok here I go....oh well. Going solo again. :D

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll

Discipline's "Canto IV" is powerful and marvelous at 13 minutes. I like Epics I can be excited all the way through.


Yeah baby. The one chord right before the first time he sings the chorus: "But how can there possibly be......no room up there for me?" Very powerful.

I'll think of an original one. Later. I'm working on debugging the php script to fix the playlist search issue. While I'm learning php. My head hurts.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Keith Waye
1) The bit in The Remembering on Tales... leading up to Jon singing "Surely, Surely"
Yep.

Yes: In "Awaken" - the build up from the first "Master of..." verse to the final tonic.

Yes: In "CTTE" - the last section of the song.

Tarentel: In "For Carl Sagan" - the 6:43 mark. The song builds slowly without a statment of the main melody until that point. And then it's a long build to the crescendo at 15:45 (the whole song is a clinic in restraint). Phenomenal.

Mike Oldfield: In "Tubular Bells III, Part Two" - the climax

King Crimson: In "Lizard" - when the first big trombone riff comes in followed by a flute run.

Yes: In "Endless Dream" - the "So take your time, look round and see the most in time is where you're meant to be.
For they talk too loud and take the hope and fears from your heart.
We call this surrender slowly towards the north, and this endless dream giving ourselves everything.
We're deserving.
Gonna bring it back again.
It's the first first time telling myself everything.
It's the last last time.
Bring me back, bring me back again*
etc.
- from 10:54 to 13:40 - I wait for this part expectantly as the lay down every theme used in it earlier in the song.



* I read a musician's comments on Jon Anderson's vocal range in a NFTE article and I think this is the highest note he hits on record. I'll try to find that article and link it.

[KeithieW]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Yes: In "Awaken" - the build up from the first "Master of..." verse to the final tonic.

Yes: In "CTTE" - the last section of the song.

Yes: In "Endless Dream" - the "So take your time, look round and see the most in time is where you're meant to be.
For they talk too loud and take the hope and fears from your heart.
We call this surrender slowly towards the north, and this endless dream giving ourselves everything.
We're deserving.
Gonna bring it back again.
It's the first first time telling myself everything.
It's the last last time.
Bring me back, bring me back again*
etc.
- from 10:54 to 13:40 - I wait for this part expectantly as the lay down every theme used in it earlier in the song.



* I read a musician's comments on Jon Anderson's vocal range in a NFTE article and I think this is the highest note he hits on record. I'll try to find that article and link it.
See! We do agree on some things Spaz. :D

I couldn't agree more about the Yes songs you quote.

The Ladder tour's arrangement of "Awaken" was just amazing in this bit and the powerful build up leading to the final "High Vibration go on...." vocal was sensational too. At one of the power chords there was an almighty explosion and flash of light and thousands of bits of ticker tape showered down onto the audience all lit up by the spot lights. It was a fantastic moment of aural and visual art.

Endless dream has to rank as one of the greatest Yes songs (Talk is very underrated IMHO) and in this part Jon sounds terrific. I regret so much that Yes never toured "Talk" in the UK.

[QuantumJo]

ep-ic \ ‘ep-ik\ adj [L epicus, fr. Gk epikos 2 a : extending beyond the usual or ordinary

One section of a song that I eagerly anticipate is in Steve Via’ Viv woman from Flex-Able. The only lyric is “ Just go for it “ which is followed by one of Steve’s wild guitar sounds.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Keith Waye
Endless dream has to rank as one of the greatest Yes songs (Talk is very underrated IMHO) and in this part Jon sounds terrific. I regret so much that Yes never toured "Talk" in the UK. A truly wise Brit we have here gentlemen. Talk rules.

[prythm]

When Tony Bank's mellotron choir and Mike's foot pedal bass comes in roaring during Cinema Show, especially the live renditions. Ya baby!

I cant wipe out of my mind the light show during Afterglow, after the last lyric when again Tony fills the soundscape with the Mellotron Choir, Phil runs up to the kit to join Chester, the whole front row of white lights sweep slowly across into the audience upward and upward to the sky. Wow. What a moment.

[dinosaur]

I'm with you, Keithie, on that Howe 'Ritual' blissful ending. I also like 'Endless Dream', along with many other Yes moments.
Prythm's comment brings to mind the great finish to Genesis 'The Knife' (live version).

Lately, I've been listening to Galleon's 'From Land to Ocean'.
The finale to 'Three Colours':

We took the first steps of freedom
On the friendly shore
No more War!

Then delicious crunchy guitar ensues. Wow.

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by prythm
When Tony Bank's mellotron choir and Mike's foot pedal bass comes in roaring during Cinema Show, especially the live renditions. Ya baby!

I cant wipe out of my mind the light show during Afterglow, after the last lyric when again Tony fills the soundscape with the Mellotron Choir, Phil runs up to the kit to join Chester, the whole front row of white lights sweep slowly across into the audience upward and upward to the sky. Wow. What a moment.

"I miss you more....."

Yeah, I've seen that at least twice at the Spectrum in Philly - maybe we were at the same show oneof those years...

[kirk]

agreed on "the firebird" roger!
.. that finale can move me to tears.
make sure they play that at my funeral, huh?

have you heard the version from "fantasia II" ?
i love the russian conductors, but sonically
this version blows the old recordings away IMO.;)

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by kirk
agreed on "the firebird" roger!
.. that finale can move me to tears.
make sure they play that at my funeral, huh?

have you heard the version from "fantasia II" ?
i love the russian conductors, but sonically
this version blows the old recordings away IMO.;)

No, as a matter of fact I haven't. I'd LOVE to, though.

And I'd like to have it played at mine, as well. It'll probably STILL make my hair stand on end.

Roger -Dot- Lee

[prythm]

Jim, cool that you remember the light show too. I caught the show outdoors up at SPAC (Saratoga NY). I believe they used the same technique for several tours. If I recall correctly during the Seconds Out tour they got hold of 2 banks of 43 Airplane lights to suspend over the stage (as seen in the cover). Later they purchased Pages(Zepplins) lighting company and named it Varilights.

As for FantasiaII it's worth seeing the movie if the mouse doesn't bug you. Pines of Rome is very impressive as well as Firebird. I saw it at an IMAX theater and they actually blew out a bank of speakers. Tough to blow out 12,000 watts of sonic power, but it was worth it.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by prythm

As for FantasiaII it's worth seeing the movie if the mouse doesn't bug you. Pines of Rome is very impressive as well as Firebird. I saw it at an IMAX theater and they actually blew out a bank of speakers. Tough to blow out 12,000 watts of sonic power, but it was worth it.

I can live with the rat. One doesn't watch Fantasia (or II, for that matter) for the rat anyway.

I'll have Mrs.Lee see if she can get ahold of a copy. Thanks for the pointer!

Roger

[kirk]

As for FantasiaII it's worth seeing the movie if the mouse doesn't bug you. Pines of Rome is very impressive as well as Firebird. I saw it at an IMAX theater and they actually blew out a bank of speakers. Tough to blow out 12,000 watts of sonic power, but it was worth it. [/B][/QUOTE]

i caught it on IMAX the first time also.

coming from the comics/art field, i
really appreciated seeing (the now late)
al hershfield's adaptation of gershwin's
"rhapsody in blue" (also worth picking the cd up for).

disney's moved this one "into the vault", if you see it
on the shelves , grab it.

k

[prythm]

I believe they will be adding Salvador Dali's piece to the next Fantasia, which was designed to be a work in process. That should be a trip.

Fantasia and cartoons in general are interesting how much musical influence they have on children. Tom and Jerry uses Gershwin. And who can forget "Kill the Rabbit!" and Swan Lake. Who thought cartoons were educational?.

[progdirjim]

Originally posted by prythm
I believe they will be adding Salvador Dali's piece to the next Fantasia, which was designed to be a work in process. That should be a trip.

Fantasia and cartoons in general are interesting how much musical influence they have on children. Tom and Jerry uses Gershwin. And who can forget "Kill the Rabbit!" and Swan Lake. Who thought cartoons were educational?.

as a classical music conneisseur, I feel I must correct you. That was actually called "Kill The Wabbit":D

[Yesspaz]

Going from favorite epic moments to cartoons is pure AM board activity.

They don't make cartoons like the used to. The interpolation of classical music and drawing cartoons to fit it is a lost art. The Merry Melodies, Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry, and other from that era - never will be equaled.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Going from favorite epic moments to cartoons is pure AM board activity.

They don't make cartoons like the used to. The interpolation of classical music and drawing cartoons to fit it is a lost art. The Merry Melodies, Bugs Bunny, Tom and Jerry, and other from that era - never will be equaled.

Agreed on all parts. Now we've got such classics as "Spongebob Squarepants" (how ... creative a name), and all kinds of stuff from Japan where the women are all top heavy and they don't have hair color that occurs in nature...at least not on this planet.

Ah well....

[kirk]

the cost of animation production went
through the roof and killed cartoons.
by the late 60's, even chuck jones couldn't do
a decent feature (those tom and jerrys still
make me cringe).
popeye was in the hands of gene deitch..
bluto changed to brutus...
dark days indeed.

IMO- friz freleng did some decent 60's cartoons
given the limitations. the pink panther stuff
still holds up.

k

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by kirk
the cost of animation production went
through the roof and killed cartoons.
by the late 60's, even chuck jones couldn't do
a decent feature (those tom and jerrys still
make me cringe).
popeye was in the hands of gene deitch..
bluto changed to brutus...
dark days indeed.

IMO- friz freleng did some decent 60's cartoons
given the limitations. the pink panther stuff
still holds up.

k

Very good points, Kirk.

The advent of computerized graphics (thanks in a large part to the work done at Silicon Graphics) has made cartoon production economically feasable -- much more so than even 30 years ago.

Now they just need to start putting out good stories instead of what's presented these days.

I think the biggest problem is that in the days of Bugs Bunny and company, the cartoon was geared much more toward an adult audience. During Tom and Jerry's day, including the later Road Runner dreck and on toward the later stuff of the 80s, it was all geared towards kids. They didn't bother putting in the high brow music or the complex humor since a significant portion of it would be lost on its main audience.

There is where the largest problem is. With the exception of the Simpsons, South Park, and some of the other more recent cartoons (Futurama, etc), the bulk of new cartoons are directed at the under 12 crowd.

Just my $.02, natch. Remember what you paid for it.

Roger -Dot- Lee, hell even Joe Camel's aimed at kids.

[Yesspaz]

I like Road Runner!

Seriously, don't forget Family Guy and Space Ghost. Another intelligent bright-spot of cartoons was Animaniacs. Smart stuff there.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
I like Road Runner!

Seriously, don't forget Family Guy and Space Ghost. Another intelligent bright-spot of cartoons was Animaniacs. Smart stuff there.

I obviously forgot to put in my standard disclaimer: not ALL cartoons since [x] date have been dreck.

Simply the vast majority.

I personally don't like Family Guy and I've never seen, nor have I ever heard of, Space Ghost.

The Animaniacs, however, I find myself in agreement 100%. Pinky and the Brain were also VERY well done cartoons. In fact, I preferred P/B over Animaniacs, and that was a VERY tough call.

Roger -Dot- Lee "I think so, Brain, but isn't Regis Philbin already married?"

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Roger Lee
Agreed on all parts. Now we've got such classics as "Spongebob Squarepants" (how ... creative a name), and all kinds of stuff from Japan where the women are all top heavy and they don't have hair color that occurs in nature...at least not on this planet.

Ah well....

Now I agree wholeheartedly that the older cartoons were the best (save for Bugs' offensive wartime cartoons), especially "Good Morning Sam, good morning Ralph". However, there are a few recent ones to mention.

I like Spongebob. He's fairly queer, but it's clever as hell. And Rocket Power is awesome! Just trying to keep up with the kiddies.

My favorite post-looney tunes was "The Cowboys of Moo Mesa". This ran for three years about 7 or so yrs ago. It was awesome....cows on horses. Very clever writing. Love it! When I mention it I get blank stares. Has anyone seen this? (Don't say I am hallucinating I have some on tape haha). It's like the old show "Run Joe Run" with the Vietnam vet dog that had flashbacks (I'm not kidding). Same blank stares. Anyone?

:D

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
Now I agree wholeheartedly that the older cartoons were the best (save for Bugs' offensive wartime cartoons), especially "Good Morning Sam, good morning Ralph". However, there are a few recent ones to mention.


I think that was probably one of the best non-bugs set of characters they had. Between those two and the love-struck witch with the hairpins and the monster with the dynamite hair curlers, they were in their prime.


I like Spongebob. He's fairly queer, but it's clever as hell. And Rocket Power is awesome! Just trying to keep up with the kiddies.


Maybe I just caught them on an off day. I can't recall being able to sit through more than 10 minutes of a SBSP episode. Too formulaic, I suppose.


My favorite post-looney tunes was "The Cowboys of Moo Mesa". This ran for three years about 7 or so yrs ago. It was awesome....cows on horses. Very clever writing. Love it! When I mention it I get blank stares. Has anyone seen this? (Don't say I am hallucinating I have some on tape haha). It's like the old show "Run Joe Run" with the Vietnam vet dog that had flashbacks (I'm not kidding). Same blank stares. Anyone?
:D

Can't say I've ever heard of either one of those, but they sound like something that I'd be in histerics over. I'll see if I can find them on the Cartoon Network or something.

Roger -Dot- Lee

[Rick and Roll]

was real people (and a dog of course). Joe kept running away and his master kept looking for him. You know how in Kung Fu they had flashbacks? Same thing. The dog would flash back before he saved the day. A dark show, though.

Don't think he had to snatch any pebbles though:D

The C.O.W. Boys were on ABC. Ya like puns it's great...my favorite was hey calfpint!

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-21866/Wild_West_COW_Boys_of_Moo_Mesa/



Here's Run Joe Run:

http://www.70slivekidvid.com/rjr.htm

Enjoy!

[Yesspaz]

My favorite Animaniacs characters were the Goodfeathers.

"Hey Pesto, you're a real optimist."

"I'm an optimist?"

"Yeah, you're an optimist."

"What are you saying? That I'm some sort of doctor here to check your vision for you?"

"No that's not what I'm saying. You're an optimist, you know."

"Are you saying that I'm here to write you a prescription for glasses? That I'm making a "spectacle" of myself? THAT'S IT!"



Also, from that classic Bugs era, let us not forget Foghorn Leghorn.

[kirk]

o.k., get the young guy outta here :D

rick, i swear i've never heard of those characters-
and i was a partner in downtown comics (indianapolis)
7 years ago!

sam and ralph are cool....
...and the 3 bears w/ the gigantic baby bear.

k

[Bob Lentil]

Animaniacs was an awesome show. I'm also a big fan of Batman: The Animated Series, which never dumbed itself down to appeal to kids. If you've got a chance, watch Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, which I consider one of the greatest movies of all time (animated or otherwise). It certainly blows the live-action Batman movies away.

[prythm]

Does anyone have any rubber walrus protectors?

R&S (first 2 seasons)

[kirk]

Originally posted by Bob Lentil
Animaniacs was an awesome show. I'm also a big fan of Batman: The Animated Series, which never dumbed itself down to appeal to kids. If you've got a chance, watch Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, which I consider one of the greatest movies of all time (animated or otherwise). It certainly blows the live-action Batman movies away.

hi bob- admittedly, animaniacs was one of the best
of the 90's. of course, the competition was "flintstone kids",
those god awful babs and buster...
sort of like "the best prog of the 90's" IMO.
it wouldn't have been a standout in classic times.

again IMO- i doubt if we'll be going to midnight film
fests featuring animaniacs the way we did max fleischer
in the 70's.

re:batman~ one of the best superhero adaptations,
the boyd kirkland episodes, standouts.
much of the look was influenced by the 40's
fleischer superman series, a "must have" for collectors.
the dvds look fantastic, can be had for around $9.
the series is a time capsule of that superman era,
one where he wasn't quite as "super" as the 60's
planet-hopping weisinger-era comics.

cool the AM forumfolk are into cartoons and comics!
the first word i leaned to read was "superman" (seriously).

i should mention that i probably contributed the
ponytail and beard to the simpsons "comic book guy".
groening lived in eugene ore. at the same time i owned
the left coast's largest comic shop (comics plus),
at the same time was apprenticing w/ michael t. gilbert
of moorcock's "elric" fame.
according to groening, CBG is an amalgam of everyone
in eugene that was in the biz. 75% of the character
was/is (he's still there) an employee of my competition,
stu at emerald city comics.

k

[prythm]

OK, now that we've destroyed an excellent thread with another interesting topic, Any other epics? Anyone?

I'll ramble on about more Genesis. Apopolypse, as mentioned before, which I thinks is the ultimate example of plateau musical form. In this structure the piece evolves through a series of vertical steps, each at different levels of dissonance (tension), climbing its way through the most tense area (9/8s) then resolving at the top level (As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs ) and fading into the clouds. I love this structure. It can also be seen on the 3 Sides Live, the ‘In the Cage’ medley builds ultimate tension finally breaking into AfterGlow at the top, which in turn has it’s own build. Powerful stuff.

In other worlds Keith Jarret’s Vienna concert part 1 takes you through an insane tense segment which results in such a heavenly resolve , a sweet plateau that you can only fully appreciate if you make it through the journey of the previous parts. Another minor example is Alan Parsons ‘Silence and I’ (not exactly epic) which takes you through a high powered orchestrated mid section that elevates the remaining section.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by prythm
OK, now that we've destroyed an excellent thread with another interesting topic, Any other epics? Anyone?



yes, this thread is an epic!:D

[KeithieW]

While waiting to go "under the knife" today I was listening to Mr 10% by Triumvirat. I found myself waiting for the bit at the end where the acoustic gitar comes in and they sing "Aren't you a lucky girl..........."

I must RQ that again some time just for Spaz. :D

[kirk]

Originally posted by prythm
[B]OK, now that we've destroyed an excellent thread with another interesting topic, Any other epics? Anyone?


as conversation does among friends, good threads evolve.
as people w/ varied tastes and lives, it's interesting
to know what else makes forum goers "tick",
other than the obvious .
personally, i'm interested in keith and roger's love of
classical, jim's interest in astrology, if members play
anything other than the radio...

as the rickster stated, "...classic AM forum".

so... what exit you from? i attended the kubert school
in dover, lived in parsippany for a year.

keith- i just caught your post-
thoughts and prayers man!
let us know how you're doing.

p e a c e kirk/zenpool
www.songplanet.com/zenpool

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Keith Waye
While waiting to go "under the knife" today I was listening to Mr 10% by Triumvirat. I found myself waiting for the bit at the end where the acoustic gitar comes in and they sing "Aren't you a lucky girl..........."

I must RQ that again some time just for Spaz. :D

Ya know, when I was going through all that overrequester crap, I looked up Mr 10% just to see if it had been a victim of OFO.

That song got more play in two weeks than any other single song.

And it was NEVER requested by the same person twice during that period.

Proof positive that we love our spaz.

Roger -Dot- Lee, still giggling over that one.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Keith Waye
While waiting to go "under the knife" today I was listening to Mr 10% by Triumvirat. I found myself waiting for the bit at the end where the acoustic gitar comes in and they sing "Aren't you a lucky girl..........."

I must RQ that again some time just for Spaz. :D I like the song! I just heard it three times one day and tha got old. That was before the 3hour/8hour restrictions.

[KeithieW]

Originally posted by kirk
keith- i just caught your post-
thoughts and prayers man!
let us know how you're doing.

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Thanks kirk....bless you.

It hurts like hell at the moment but the doc says it will be OK in 24 hours or so.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Roger Lee
Ya know, when I was going through all that overrequester crap, I looked up Mr 10% just to see if it had been a victim of OFO.

That song got more play in two weeks than any other single song.

And it was NEVER requested by the same person twice during that period.

Proof positive that we love our spaz. Yeah, people love it and requested it toooooo much, but never the same person. The 8hour rule really helps regulate that. BTW, whats' OFO?

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Yeah, people love it and requested it toooooo much, but never the same person. The 8hour rule really helps regulate that. BTW, whats' OFO?

I too would like to know OFO.

As the Who says...."Too much of anything is too much.....for me".

Got to get some back of the rack Who on sometime...........

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Yeah, people love it and requested it toooooo much, but never the same person. The 8hour rule really helps regulate that. BTW, whats' OFO?

Yah, the 8 hour rule's been a life saver on a number of occasions.

And OFO is Our Favorite Overrequester, since I was feeling lazy at that moment and didn't want to have to type the whole thing out.

Roger -Dot- Lee, should set up a Macro for it or something.

[prythm]

Kirk, I worked a couple jobs in Parsippany (multimedia stuff). I now live around exit 7, remember to wave as you drive by. Princeton area is cool cause its within an hour of NYC and Phili.

Keithie, hope all is well. Thanks for all the giggles.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by prythm
Kirk, I worked a couple jobs in Parsippany (multimedia stuff). I now live around exit 7, remember to wave as you drive by. Princeton area is cool cause its within an hour of NYC and Phili.

Keithie, hope all is well. Thanks for all the giggles.

I spent an enjoyable 24 hours at the vax place in Jackson. Went to a show Saturday night at the NJ proghouse. We may have seen you on the road there;).

Keith, my current week promo has a light-hearted dig at your cackles....look for it at 10PM and 1 PM your time each day.


:D

[kirk]

prythm-

the kubert school is at the bottom of the hill
from the parsippany mall, in the old dover high school.
joe kubert's the dc senior editor/artist famous for
tarzan, hawkman, sgt. rock...the co-inventor of the
3-d process along w/ moe howard's son-in-law
norman maurer.

living in NJ was an...interesting experience.

a group of kubert students were standing around
talking in my living room when someone
threw a sting of firecrackers from a car (i assume).

i looked back, and it was like everyone had disappeared..
until i looked down. everyone was flat on the floor,
hands covering their heads.
the were all screaming at me~ "if you hear something
like that, you get down!!"

btw- i can't believe no one called me on that
matt groening story!:D
matt graduated from lincoln high in eugene, began
"life in hell" in the late 70's, the same time i got there.
before it hit, he hand delivered small runs of the strip
to the local shops, talked us out of shelf space.
if only we knew, we might've been a little nicer!

k

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by kirk

btw- i can't believe no one called me on that
matt groening story!:D
matt graduated from lincoln high in eugene, began
"life in hell" in the late 70's, the same time i got there.
before it hit, he hand delivered small runs of the strip
to the local shops, talked us out of shelf space.
if only we knew, we might've been a little nicer!

k

I have a three-book "Box full of hell" set. A little bio says born in Portland in 1954 and moved to LA in 1977. I remember the Simpsons stuff on the Tracy Ullman show, but who knew then either? D'oh!

[kirk]

"springfield" the simpson's town, was named for
springfield ore., sort of the industrial/rough section
of eugene.

i think that's right, matt was from portland.
eugene was like an art magnet in those days.
jerry garcia hung out, ken kesey and the merry
pranksters lived in the area, john belusi was
filming animal house....
belushi hung out at the eugene hotel,
where he got the inspiration for the blues brothers
from curtis salgado...
it was sort of where the counter culture
escaped from berkley.

[prythm]

Kirk, interesting stuff. The Simpsons are brilliant. I appreciate the fun the production staff has down to the music (no, not Elfman). I love the wit and obscure references.

That's pretty cool that you're the one immortalized as 'the comic book guy'. That's friggin awsome.

[kirk]

ah, it's fun to think so... but it's a persistent rumor
in eugene that he slapped a bunch of us together.
i hadn't heard until a visit to eugene last year.

all i can say, if you met stu at emerald city,
it's not much of a stretch.

k

[Yesspaz]

This is completely randon, but Kirk, why do you always write in incomplete lines? It's like you hit "enter" or "return" in the middle
of a sentence even
if you're not through with
a thought. You never just type and type until the field moves you down itself. Just wondering...

[kirk]

haha no problem. it's a habit i developed from some ez board, ect. sites i'm on.
spreading a line too far across the page causes the boxes to expand, the reader has to scroll to take everything in.
it pisses forum goers off royally, not why i maintain a site.


i have to say though, that what i'm seeing on my screen
isn't always what goes to the post.
i'm not sure if it's the screen rez level that i have to maintain
to avoid going blind using sonar or what.
i'm connected by my studio/audio computer, it's main
(and only) function. the net is a concession, mainly for
software updates, sending files to my virtual bandmates.
i have many sites to maintain, tend to hit them
"on the fly". i left my computer for one day last week,
and returned to 173 messages!
a google this week returned almost 800 entries
on zenpool, so we're growing fast.

my bassist's (von babasin) band ONOFFON
maintains over 3000 sites, you should see his typing!
caps went out the window long ago.;)

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