Moon O'Poll 2007 - preview

[Wojtek]

Hello Moonbuds,

mostly lurking during 2007 I was found by AM secret agents and reminded of year end poll and year end show. I decided that if there was Moonies' interest in having that poll on the Moon again I'd be up for it too.

Last year there were some voices of criticism regarding the fact that albums released in december couldn't be included due to voting period closing early. As a result and as a result of very busy January for me I decided that the show and the poll in general would be organised later than it once was. I mean, my proposition is to start voting in the middle of January and have the show in the early Ferbruary.

I liked very much when the show was organised close to New Year's Eve and therefore had that New Year and even Christmas aura. But it is true that it's not the best date in terms of the fact it is 2007 poll and which therefore should consists of ealry and late 2007 albums.

Well, if you have comments or propositions regarding the poll and the show itself, just write it here. As usual I'm open for all forms of humourous jingles, adverts etc so that the poll time could be the time of party and fun on the Moon.

[OverHillandDale]

Some days it pays to rise early - I get to have 1st say. :LOL:

1st, welcome back from mojtek, and thank you for "volunteering." I know how much work these projects can turn into, so please know we appreciate your efforts.

I'm of the opinion (humble or not so) that the poll show should be close to the new year, at least held within January. February starts to get too far into the next year and there can be a lot of New Year releases to cloud ones' mind. However, I fully respect your commitments so let's focus on album inclusion.

I would put a release cut-off date around early December (5-10). Why further reward groups trying to take advantage of the holiday market. Plus, part of a group appeal is longevity. One week on the market doesn't allow it to qualify for those characteristics. I may like it now, but after 15 listenings.... So regardless of when the voting takes place mid to late December release should go with 2008 recordings.

Let's be sure last year's late entries are included this year.

Also, I'd be happy to offer my assistance to you. If I can be of any help, I'd be honored to do so.

[Rick and Roll]

Hi Woj...maybe sometime we can vote for your music...

Anyway, since you have so capably organized it in the past, it seems to me we should work on your schedule. It sounded like it was easier to do it the way we always have. But if it's too late to compile a show for mid-January, it's ok with me. Anytime is fine, I have no personal preference.

As usual, you can replay the show in my slot (so we'll have three plays...or is it four?).

Does it really matter if it's a proper calendar year? Not like these discs get awards, plus we always add if there's a groundswell for inclusion.

As I've always said, I never hear many great ones until well after the year ends anyway. I'm always hearing stuff from 2003,4,5, etc and liking it.

thanks again, woj...

[teermin8r]

You can't make everyone happy. Cut it off like you always have. No matter when the cut-off is some one will say something got shafted. We are only human and mistakes also happen, like when cds get left off of the lists that Tom Gagliardi supplies. But life goes on. I'll bet Tom gets complaints from ppl also, we just don't hear 'em.

[Rick and Roll]

No matter when the cut-off is some one will say something got shafted.


Sounds like Oklahoma and the BCS :hrm:

[Wojtek]

Well I'd say that the no. 1 reason to put it off a bit is amount of work I have in January. So perhaps no matter what we decide here I'll be forced to put off the show to early Ferbruary/

[mossy]

Woj, you're alive!

Since you put alot of work into the poll, the timing needs to work for YOU.

Just decide when you can do it comfortably, and make your announcement. We already know you also balance all other Moon related issues in your decision making.

Whenever you decide we will have it, we will love it.

[Don Arnold]

Hi all,

I don't think I've posted before, but have been a member since July/06.

With respect to the timing of the poll, I've seen it suggested with other year-end polls that collect their data in December to include December releases from the prior year. So, for 2007, include Dec/06 releases. That way, you may not have a representation of releases for the calendar year, but you do have them for a 12 month period.

Just a thought. Whatever the timing, I'll look forward to casting my vote and seeing the results!

thanks,

Don Arnold

[Rick and Roll]

well welcome in Don! that's a hell of a pseudonym :notsure:

I agree with you...that's the way a lot of "countdowns" used to do it....

[Bmithra]

Hey Wojtek. I'm glad to see you are still around.

Like others who have mentioned it, I know how much work compiling a list like this can be.

As far as I am concerned when you do put together the show, I'll listen to it and enjoy it when it plays . no matter when that is. :thumbsup:
Who knows, I might even manage to vote in it this time. :smirk:

I apppreciate your efforts, what ever fits your timing works for me. :yougo

Thank You! :rawk:

:salute :salute :eek:

Bmithra

[lotus]

Hi all,

I don't think I've posted before, but have been a member since July/06.

With respect to the timing of the poll, I've seen it suggested with other year-end polls that collect their data in December to include December releases from the prior year. So, for 2007, include Dec/06 releases. That way, you may not have a representation of releases for the calendar year, but you do have them for a 12 month period.

Just a thought. Whatever the timing, I'll look forward to casting my vote and seeing the results!

thanks,

Don Arnold


Hey Woj, you are alive..:) And I do not ask about Wisla..:)

I agree with Don, you should make an early January show with the releases from Dec 2006 untill end November 2007. Rogor suggested that too..

And it was always fun to have it early January...

If you have problems with overload of work..we are always here to help you out..

[podakayne]

hi woj

i await your decision whatever, however...i know it will be great listening.

[lotus]

Well, keeping the thread alive.

Whatever decision will be taken (voting for releases from Dec. 06 to Nov 07 or Jan 07 to Dec 07) and the timing of the show, a decision has to be taken, as the end of the year is showing up.

As I already mentioned, I personally would prefer a show early January, as in February we are already full in the new year looking forward and it is not so atractive to look a year back.

I think it is the time of management and the members involved to discuss in the next days (by PM or whatsoever the best solution for the Moon).

I offer my help (and I think many others would do as well), if Woj is overloaded with work and maybe has only time to record the show (I would love to listen to his show, as in the past years), but the evaluation etc. has to be done by somebody else.

So, awaiting your comments

[Wojtek]

The whole problem are my winter exams. As usual unfortunately. I have no free time in January and Ferbruary so I'm looking for a few days in January during which I will be busy but not too much busy. After your posts I started considering omiting busiest days from the other side, that is doing it much earlier. In that case show must be around 10-15 Jan the latest. In that case I can do the evaluation but help with the list would be appreciated so that we could start voting almost immediately.

[progdirjim]

OK, so we are all in agreement then? Lotus/Keithie/Rogor will start compiling the list and voting, and Woj will put together a show for mid January?

Please use this thread for discussion rather than individual conversations with me. Whatever is decided should be a public decision, not private.

The whole problem are my winter exams. As usual unfortunately. I have no free time in January and Ferbruary so I'm looking for a few days in January during which I will be busy but not too much busy. After your posts I started considering omiting busiest days from the other side, that is doing it much earlier. In that case show must be around 10-15 Jan the latest. In that case I can do the evaluation but help with the list would be appreciated so that we could start voting almost immediately.

[Wojtek]

I don't need help with voting, I'll do that.

OK, so we are all in agreement then? Lotus/Keithie/Rogor will start compiling the list and voting, and Woj will put together a show for mid January?

Please use this thread for discussion rather than individual conversations with me. Whatever is decided should be a public decision, not private.

[dinosaur]

Wojtek,
I look forward to your poll results, whenever you find it most convenient for yourself. Thanks for the all the effort!

[mossy]

Have to agree with nadina.

Why are we continuing to go on about dates which woj said were not convenient for him.

:confused:

[RogorMortis]

Because Mossy it's too late to have a 2007 show in February - the boss says January at the latest.

[mossy]

With all due respect, mortis, I don't think it really matters if the show is done in the following month if it makes it easier for the show creator and producer. And also with all due respect to Jim, I'm done. I simply wanted to agree with nadina, that it feels as if woj's arm has been twisted a bit. thanks.

[Wojtek]

Because Mossy it's too late to have a 2007 show in February - the boss says January at the latest.

I think that results of most annual polls are presented AFTER January. DPRP publishes the results in the middle of Ferbruary, if not later. From what I remember Progressive World does it even later. In my opinion the trick with december albums is ok if we want to have the show in the atmosphere of new year beginning. But from the 'methodological' point of view moving december albums to the next poll is a bad move. In every case this is annual 200X poll so not including some good albums spoils the fun a bit.

I haven't known about any individual conversations with Jim so if something serious was mentioned maybe it would be better to discuss it together.

And one more thing. This is made for FUN. There is no point in perfectionist approach to the method the poll is meant to base on, to the albums included, to the albums not included, to the show date.

[progdirjim]

Because Mossy it's too late to have a 2007 show in February - the boss says January at the latest.

That's not what happened and I'm through with this discussion.

Wojtek has been kind enough to do this for several years, so the ball is his. If someone wants to help him, or influence dates, please coordinate with him directly. I wouldn't care if we had a 2007 show in June. I have more important things to worry about.

[RogorMortis]

Debate closed - Wojtek in charge ...................

[Rick and Roll]

Wojtek,
I look forward to your poll results, whenever you find it most convenient for yourself. Thanks for the all the effort!

I echo this. Woj, remember I will have an open date for two airings when you decide. We can talk off line if you like - look forward to casting a vote myself :thumbsup:

[KeithieW]

I'll have my say now as my name has been bandied about.

As far as I'm concerned we have the show when Wojtek can do it. If that's February, March or December 2008 then that's when it will be.

Woj has been a real Trooper these last years doing the show and for anyone to try and dictate to him when HE does HIS show is, at the very least, Rude.

Do it when you want Woj...if I can help you know where to find me.

[Roger -Dot- Lee]

Ya know, something popped into my mind in reading this.

One of the biggest complaints was that music from December didn't get included. How's this for an idea: anything released close to or after the cut-off date (arbitrarily chosen for the convenience of the compiler) will show up in NEXT YEAR'S list?

How's that for an idea?

[Wojtek]

If the January option is chosen, the December albums will be voted the following year. I'm visiting my unievrsity to know more exactly when exactly the exam session would start and end this year. In case of January we'll start voting most probably on December 15th.
But I still consider Ferbruary option. Actually this would be good experiment to try how it all looks when there is full 2007 album list without cut-offs. We don't know if Ferbruary show would work out unless we try it.

[OverHillandDale]

:rolleyes:

[Wojtek]

Final decision: poll in January, show in Ferbruary

I seriously thought all over and instead of finding time in January I got additional tasks on studies what makes preparing good show in January impossible. This semester is NIGHTMARE. Every week I have to deliver 5-10 pages of methodological essays + hard exam session + huge amount of classes. So it can't be in a different way this year. And by the way it will be good to check how such post-2007 poll functions.
So there will be poll, there will be show - don't worry. But a bit later.

[mossy]

Sounds good, woj. A bit of light in the dreariness of winter. You term sounds BAD. Thanks for continuing to do the show and poll even with those limitations. We'll look forward.

[Rick and Roll]

Final decision: poll in January, show in Ferbruary

I seriously thought all over and instead of finding time in January I got additional tasks on studies what makes preparing good show in January impossible. This semester is NIGHTMARE. Every week I have to deliver 5-10 pages of methodological essays + hard exam session + huge amount of classes. So it can't be in a different way this year. And by the way it will be good to check how such post-2007 poll functions.
So there will be poll, there will be show - don't worry. But a bit later.

This will give me time to hear more of them!:smirk:

Sounds great. Whenever the exact date is, I have a slot for you. And let us know how we can help.

Maybe we can have it around Valentines Day. I can feel the love already!:urp:


And woj...wait until you have kids(8-D

[KeithieW]

Wojtek.....Feb will be Fab!!!!!

You really are a star.

[Rick and Roll]

Well I just did my top 20.....pending listening to Black Bonzo and Azureth, which are on the way.....:rockband: