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progdirjim
02-01-2008, 03:35 AM
Hello Everyone,

I've been thinking a lot about the current show schedule on Aural Moon, and was thinking that possibly a change or two is in order. No decisions made yet.

I am going to have several polls, one for each show, where you can chime in with feedback as to whether the show is indispensable, OK, or a nuisance. Replies will be anonymous so you can be comfortable giving a thumbs down to a show that most seem to like.

I'm thinking there's an opportunity for two new/replacement shows - one, focused on new additions to the Moon. At the rate I've been adding CDs, with the help of the "intervention" group, that should be programmed for a few years.

The other show I'm thinking about is the "Digressive Rock Hour", digressive meaning songs that just missed making it to the Moon, but are still quality. It'd play electronica, pop/prog, etc that isn't progressive enough to just sit on the playlist, but has that sense of adventurism.

Thoughts?

KeithieW
02-01-2008, 04:40 AM
Fantastic idea Jim.

I especially like the idea of the DRH. As you know I have a lot of stuff that falls into that category. I'd love to help out with it if you want. No problem if that falls outside the remit....I'll just carry on enjoying the show. :)

Change from time to time is good.

Let me know if I can help out.

Methem
02-01-2008, 04:55 AM
The other show I'm thinking about is the "Digressive Rock Hour", digressive meaning songs that just missed making it to the Moon, but are still quality. It'd play electronica, pop/prog, etc that isn't progressive enough to just sit on the playlist, but has that sense of adventurism.
Sounds nice. On the other hand, hasn't this been done already, sort of? The Gnosis shows in the past, and some of the shows by Rick...

As for replacing shows: How about just (re-)scheduling a couple of shows so that they only get aired once a month or every second week instead of weekly? That way you could have "more" shows in the programming. Plus you would have much more people available for DJ'ing: Life, these days at least, is too hectic for many to be able to run a radio show every week.

eloy1964
02-01-2008, 05:12 AM
I love all the current shows and schedules. They make Aural Moon a station to listen too. You can learn so much from the shows. I too like the sound of the DRH. The only trouble with once a fortnight or month is that I may miss the show. I wish there was a way to have specific shows podcast or be able to be stored for listen agin option. One thought which could be fun would be for listeners to compile a short show (30-60 minutes) with a theme which could be hosted by an expert like Rick! That way the listeners could get more involved in the shows other than the shoutbox. Only a thought!

Ted
02-01-2008, 06:40 AM
Jim,

Interesting ideas...

Instead of loosing the shows though, what about "reigning" them in a bit - instead of 3 hours for Interzone and Rickter Scale - what about 2 hours for each show? Then you'd have 2 hours free for another show.

Just an idea... I am not sure Rick or Cozy would like that - but then all the shows - except for Gags - would be 2 hours in length.

Thanks for keeping up the great work and the new ideas... I know I am not alone in appreciating all you guys are doing to make the station GREAT!

From Texas,
Ted

Rick and Roll
02-01-2008, 07:07 AM
Hi, I'll just chime in so I can a) receive the emails as the posts accrue, and b) throw some ideas down because I have some personal crap to attend to this weekend.:horsepoop

I've no idea of where this will go, but I'm good with whatever happens. The only consideration of whether you want three hours or two for my show is if it's not too much of an intrusion. It takes me about the same amount of time to construct a show of varying lengths.

Most other stations of this type are heavy on the shows, and the themes. My original basis of the show (laid down in my first RS post) guaranteed different themes and genres, and that will not change. I find locking into one genre limiting.

Other shows that have specific themes are always welcome. there was a space music hour that was good but got shelved due to time.

The DRH is an interesting idea. Methem - I actually like most of the same prog rock as most others. It's just that I'd rather play something new or something different.

Is Interzone and Prog Shores a current entity? I never see them around on a regular basis.

The new show idea is a MUST.

In summary, for my show, whatever opinions are always welcome, and I'm sure Jim will contact me with any decisions that result. I enjoy the time slot, the length, etc but am always amenable to new ideas. I really do want to take more time off but there's always so much to play!

Ted
02-01-2008, 08:41 AM
I've no idea of where this will go, but I'm good with whatever happens. The only consideration of whether you want three hours or two for my show is if it's not too much of an intrusion. It takes me about the same amount of time to construct a show of varying lengths.

Is Interzone and Prog Shores a current entity? I never see them around on a regular basis.

In summary, for my show, whatever opinions are always welcome, and I'm sure Jim will contact me with any decisions that result. I enjoy the time slot, the length, etc but am always amenable to new ideas. I really do want to take more time off but there's always so much to play!

Rick,

Thanks for commenting. I wasn't aware about Interzone and Prog Shores... if they are not around then - I withdraw my comments.

I do like your show... and - more importantly - I agree with you about different music... exposure to other artists, genres, etc have be really good for me as well. I am a die hard ELP fan, who was recently introduced to YES and Rick Wakeman because of Aural Moon... I had never heard of Spock's Bear and Neal Morse, until I started listening to this station... I love Neal Morse's stuff... again, because of Aural Moon.

I was reacting to Jim's comment about having to get rid of shows - to make room.

Keep exposing us to new stuff and working on the themes!

As I mentioned... I do appreciate what you are doing - the knowledge you share with us and effort you are putting into the show. THANK YOU!!!!:thumbsup:

You ROCK! :rawk:

Back to your regularly scheduled...

From Texas,
Ted

jtmckinley
02-01-2008, 08:57 AM
I haven't heard a show by Cozy or Sean for a while unfortunately so I would imagine that programming space is available where their shows used to air. I especially like the idea of a new additions show and it sounds like a digressive show could be fun too.

mossy
02-01-2008, 10:16 AM
Change is good, Jim, and the new show ideas sound timely and interesting. Thanks for putting this to a poll.

RogorMortis
02-01-2008, 11:07 AM
Well I have thought about a show which I envisaged as "Not on the Moon". Basically being prog music or near enough that I knew about but was not on the moon. So Jim's Digressive is on the same wavelength so it's of course a good idea.
And true enough with the amount of rq's now being pushed through it's hard enough to hear anything of the new additions, especially those one doesn't have or indeed had no intention of obtaining. So a New Additions slot would essentially be welcomed, although if 85 CD's is slammed on in one go it would be a hell of a very long show.....:D

VAXman
02-01-2008, 11:40 AM
Fantastic idea Jim.

I especially like the idea of the DRH. As you know I have a lot of stuff that falls into that category. I'd love to help out with it if you want. No problem if that falls outside the remit....I'll just carry on enjoying the show. :)

Change from time to time is good.

Let me know if I can help out.
Keep your Barry Manilow and Doris Day recording to yourself! :D

Rick and Roll
02-01-2008, 11:49 AM
Well I have thought about a show which I envisaged as "Not on the Moon".

First of this year i did a show "Not On The Moon But Still Pretty Damn Good".

I think DMH is not as unwieldy as NOTMBSPDG :yougo

VAXman
02-01-2008, 12:10 PM
I think that shows should be time limited. We have no control over Tom's show but I don't believe these need to be more than an hour or two. They get tedious after awhile. Even Tom's show gets tedious at times but, despite that, I get some information and some great interviews juxtaposed in the mix of the generally loathed public service commercials that WBZC is required to play. I had to play them too when I did college radio. I hated them, but we had to log them and submit logs to the FCC to maintain free license.

I'm also sickened with the theme shows. Theming Thursday was intended to be a fun way to get people to exercise their "creativity" and get requests mixed up beyond the usual Supper's Ready, Close to the Edge, and Plague of Lighthouse Keepers. (All tracks I love, BTW.) Yet, I still hear the "I don't understand the theme". I wasn't going to say, "Go request all songs with XYZZY in the title." Hell, I could probably program SAM to do that if that's what Theming Thursday was supposed to be. I've tried to post vague themes in the hopes that they would spurn the obvious and spawn creativity.

I like progressive music; not regressive music. I've heard many complaints -- and I've made some myself too -- when things are played that just are not appropriate for a station that has been marketed as a prog rock station. The "country rock/death metal" show some time back was just way out of bounds.

FWIW, one of the positive things I hear is that AM has its request driven format. It allows those who listen -- our moonies -- to be part of the product and not just a consumer thereof. Everyone, in a little way, gets to have a show however brief it may be.

lamour
02-01-2008, 04:20 PM
I don't have time to really answer this carefully right now, but I'll just throw out some quick thoughts. I hope nobody takes any offense from anything I've worded poorly below.


I like the idea of both of the new shows. Could be very interesting.

I am one of those people who find myself wishing shows would be over sooner most of the time. Gags is the worst for two reasons. No song info and time. I listen to the Moon to hear new music (new to me). If I don't know what it is, it doesn't really matter all that much if I like it, since I can never listen to it again. Four hours is a LONG time. it's half of my work day. more importantly, it's the 2nd half of my workday. a lot of my morning requests get lost under the blanket of afternoon (for me) radio shows, because I leave work shortly after Gags is over.

I have the least issues with Moses' show for a lot of reasons. It plays in the morning (for me), so I don't miss my requests because of it. It's short. It has song info. I tend to like most of what Moses plays, so that helps too. ;-)

I like a lot of what Rick plays, but he tends to put on 3 hours of one band or of just a couple bands, so if I don't like the band, that's a LONG time before I get to hear something I do like. He plays a wide variety of stuff, so not everyone is going to like all of it. and 3 hours of one band CAN seem like a long time even if you like the band. at least most of what he plays tends to be new or obscure stuff, so that's a big plus.

I like hearing people's requests. Wednesday is a good idea, but I wish it were more scattered across the week instead of one ENTIRE day with no requests. If SAM could be rigged to toss her own songs in every so often on normal days, then you might get a wider audience for that music too. I'm not sure if people tune out on wednesday, but it's sure a lot quieter in the shoutbox on wednesday. it also gets pretty quiet during most of the shows. I think, anyway.


IMHO,
lamour

lamour
02-01-2008, 07:40 PM
Theming Thursday was intended to be a fun way to get people to exercise their "creativity" and get requests mixed up beyond the usual Supper's Ready, Close to the Edge, and Plague of Lighthouse Keepers. (All tracks I love, BTW.) Yet, I still hear the "I don't understand the theme". I wasn't going to say, "Go request all songs with XYZZY in the title." Hell, I could probably program SAM to do that if that's what Theming Thursday was supposed to be. I've tried to post vague themes in the hopes that they would spurn the obvious and spawn creativity.


Well, this is kinda off topic for the thread, but I have to admit that a couple of times the theme has been a bit obscure for me. I usually try to make of it what I can. Some themes are a lot more fun than others. I've occasionally just sat out a whole thursday because I couldn't think of anything that really fit the theme (or was too lazy to figure out how to bend something to fit).

I usually pick something pretty obvious for my first pick and then wander as far from that as I can work out for the rest. In general, I think we get more obscure stuff on thursday than on any other request day.


imho,
lamour

Yesspaz
02-01-2008, 08:35 PM
As a former show-haver myself, here's my nine cents worth:

First, ALL shows, except maybe Gags, should be ONE HOUR. I like the Digressive Rock Hour idea, with emphasis on HOUR. As VAX mentioned, the #1 thing about AM is the request idea, and I'll add that #2 is that non-request song slots get filled randomly by SAM. A show (yes, even mine) ultimately give one person basically a big request pass.

The other thing is this: shows do not HAVE to be each week. The hardest thing about programming my headphone show back in the day was finding two hours of headphone music each week. Often I'd have 45 minutes of great headphone stuff, and then some other stuff that I thought would be worth a listen (everything sounds better in phones - KW called my can man for a reason).

If I were still doing BrainRock, it would NOT be weekly. It'd be "whenever-I've-got-a-legitimate-one-hour-of-music" show. A consistent air time, sure, but it doesn't have to be each and EVERY week. That's what took me so long to see: Internet radio does NOT have to fit into the FCC controlled formatting of broadcast radio. In other words, the AMers would learn that [I]if[I] there's a SHOW X this week, it's at 2 pm, as always.

Other than that, whatever on content. The biggest thing is don't let them get long in the teeth. I say one hour per show.

Spaz out.

GORT
02-01-2008, 10:57 PM
I'm with some of the others, I think a Digressive hour or two would be fun.
I'm not a complainer, so whatever happens so be it. VAX, I understand your
point on Theme Thursday, but everyone seems to enjoy it. After all it was podakayne and myself that got the ball rolling on that thing again. I love the
community here and will go with the flow, no matter where it takes us...
I am easy to please when it comes to good music. Cheers and love to you all !:yougo

OverHillandDale
02-01-2008, 11:09 PM
I think I'd have to jump onto the A.D.D. wagon as well. I would definately like to see more shows, but of shorter duration during the working week. On the weekends, I think the format can be a little longer. But at that, I'd like to see a two hour limit.
:deadhorse
3 hours - It's too much time to fill with one subject and too many different subjects must be used to fill up the time. I live by the old entertainment adage of "Leave them wanting more." (and 'keep it simple..." doesn't fall far from that same tree).

4 hours - Gags is a four hour marathon of which a very low percentage of folks listen to on it's original broadcast night. Those that come into shout about then usually roll their virual eyes. Now out of that 4 hours, approximatley only 3 hours of it are music. The rest are promotions for New Jersey and other places and events that AM listeners have little to no interest in (or they've heard them so many times....). Do we really want promos and commercials on our airwaves?

The show just is not working as well anymore, for me. What that show was prior to the RIAA uproad has not seemed to return. Now, I have to admit I'm new to Tom's shows. I have only been listening to him about 1.5 years - not a very long time. Most of the time I can't understand the dialogue or monologue. I hardly ever know what's playing unless I recognize it. As Lamour said before, that takes a lot of the interest and enjoyment out of the program.

What I'd like to see from Tom is a version of his show that he does just for us. Not a rebroadcast of their Saturday night show, but a separate, individually programmed show just for AM listeners. Or perhaps just an interview show led by him that mixes Prog Music news and live or recorded interviews with parties of interest to our genre. Tom's musical knowledge is tantamout to the Prog scene on the East coast. He is a major force to be utilized to support and promote the growth and sustainment of Progressive Rock in the United States and abroad. I don't have issues with his talent, knowledge or artistic creativity. But I'd like to see it used more creatively and specifically to OUR end. I don't think we are here to promote 88.9FM. Not to mention that they too broadcast on the internet and anyone can get the same feed (if not a slightly better one at that as it is direct and not mirrored {or whatever you call it} thus reducing the quality of the sound). I find that redundant and not in character of the Flagship of the Prog Radio world (which is what we are IMHO).

Okay, enough about the present system, except to say, I miss the shows that have fallen by the wayside of late. I would like to seem those spots return or be replaced in a short format. I'll write more in another post about some of the types of shows I'd like to see.

And lastly, please everyone, understand I respect everyone's efforts towards making AM the best internet radio station. The time, dedication, knowledge, talent and BS&T it takes to do what each of you do is greatly appreciated. Do not think I don't understand or appreciate what you do. I know what it takes and I do appreciate you!!! But I do think we can fine tune everyone's talents and efforts into something better for everyone.

Rick and Roll
02-01-2008, 11:47 PM
I think I'd have to jump onto the A.D.D. wagon as well.

Then you'll love this one. I just bought it and have been meaning to get it for a long time, and will play it next week.

http://musicishere.com/artists/John_Curtis/Short_Songs_About_Affordable_Food

Rick and Roll
02-01-2008, 11:57 PM
A few more comments:

It seems three hours is long from the sampling we've seen here. I've no issue with two, if the consensus is such.

I do NOT agree about "it doesn't have to be every week". Consistency is key. Has nothing to do with commercial radio. It has to do with reliability and ease for the listener.

Dale, great points about Gagliarchives. However you won't get a version just for us, that's not feasible - unless you cut out the commercials.

I've been getting away from the three hours of the same band. Haven't done that in a while and will not in the forseeable future. I like individual songs personally. But a new release or an old classic deserves a full play, so that's 35-65 minutes.

VAXman
02-02-2008, 06:50 AM
I think I'd have to jump onto the A.D.D. wagon as well. A.D.D?



4 hours - Gags is a four hour marathon of which a very low percentage of folks listen to on it's original broadcast night. Those that come into shout about then usually roll their virual eyes. Now out of that 4 hours, approximatley only 3 hours of it are music. The rest are promotions for New Jersey and other places and events that AM listeners have little to no interest in (or they've heard them so many times....). Do we really want promos and commercials on our airwaves?

I happen to think it is quite a privilege to have his show rebroadcast here. Again, it *IS* a show broadcast right from my area so I can understand a bit of local and Philly area news. I'm not sure, since it is Tom's show, that we should be editing its content. However, if it is OK with Tom, you can be appointed to sit and listen and censor all of the public service announcements and discussion, and leave just the music.



The show just is not working as well anymore, for me. What that show was prior to the RIAA uproad has not seemed to return. Now, I have to admit I'm new to Tom's shows. I have only been listening to him about 1.5 years - not a very long time. Most of the time I can't understand the dialogue or monologue. I hardly ever know what's playing unless I recognize it. As Lamour said before, that takes a lot of the interest and enjoyment out of the program.
Tom's show has not changed. The RIAA uproar concerned internet radio paying more blood-money to carry music content. It had nothing to do with Tom's show content.



What I'd like to see from Tom is a version of his show that he does just for us. Not a rebroadcast of their Saturday night show, but a separate, individually programmed show just for AM listeners. Or perhaps just an interview show led by him that mixes Prog Music news and live or recorded interviews with parties of interest to our genre. Tom's musical knowledge is tantamout to the Prog scene on the East coast. He is a major force to be utilized to support and promote the growth and sustainment of Progressive Rock in the United States and abroad. I don't have issues with his talent, knowledge or artistic creativity. But I'd like to see it used more creatively and specifically to OUR end. I don't think we are here to promote 88.9FM. Not to mention that they too broadcast on the internet and anyone can get the same feed (if not a slightly better one at that as it is direct and not mirrored {or whatever you call it} thus reducing the quality of the sound). I find that redundant and not in character of the Flagship of the Prog Radio world (which is what we are IMHO).
I think too many here focus on the medium and not the message.



Okay, enough about the present system, except to say, I miss the shows that have fallen by the wayside of late. I would like to seem those spots return or be replaced in a short format. I'll write more in another post about some of the types of shows I'd like to see.

Sean's show I miss. However, I know he's a busy man. He may have burned himself out too trying to cover, sometimes obscure, regions of the world. Perhaps, his show would have benefitted from a 1 hr format with more sequel parts.



And lastly, please everyone, understand I respect everyone's efforts towards making AM the best internet radio station. The time, dedication, knowledge, talent and BS&T it takes to do what each of you do is greatly appreciated. Do not think I don't understand or appreciate what you do. I know what it takes and I do appreciate you!!! But I do think we can fine tune everyone's talents and efforts into something better for everyone.
Gracias from one and all.

OverHillandDale
02-02-2008, 08:55 AM
A couple of new show ideas to toss out into the ring, hat or whatever.

I like the digressive show you mentioned. There are a lot of marginal groups it's nice to hear from.

I was thinking of a weekend morning/early afternoon show in the lines of Psychedelic music - early floyd (well, all floyd), td, space rock, hawkwind and the like. Probably trying to stay more in the late 60's early 70's heady music.

I think someone mentioned an 'electronic' show - that's appealing too.

A show of new releases is a must!

Perhaps a show that focuses on Women's contributions to the Prog scene. Sometimes it can seem way too much testosterone is present in our genre. (besides, maybe we can attract more babes to the station.) :-o~ ;) (Really, Im just kidding - please don't send the PC police to my house.)

And finally, I'd like to definately see a show like Sean's that features country specific prog (swedish, german, italian, etc). I don't think they have country-western prog. :cool:

Just a few ideas to banter about.

Vax, a.d.d. = attention deficit disorder. Short attention spans.:lurk:
And yes, it is quite an honor to host/share the gags here. And thanks for bringing him aboard. It helped establish our credibility as a serious Prog Rock entity.

Cozy
02-02-2008, 09:12 AM
Hey guys.... remember me? :)


I have not checked the Moon in the last month or so, but as fate would have it, checked today and came about this thread.

A few things I'd like to comment on...


Interzone has been on hiatus the last few months primarily due to personal issues. There was a period of time where work really got in the way, but then later some health issues with my wife that we're just now pretty much in the clear of.

I work on new shows all the time, but getting them completed and ready to go and on the station just takes time I didn't have. I try to put a lot of effort into the show as opposed to having a random playlist. I have the next 8 shows mapped out in various stages of completion.

Rarely have I ever had a complaint about the 3-hour format. Usually the 3rd hour is devoted to focusing on one recording relevant to the theme of that show. I think you just have those on the Moon that like the idea of the station being 24/7 requestable and in control. And organized programs take time away from that.

I would like to think the wide and eclectic variety of music on Interzone would leave a distinct impression. That said I have to question if it's "missed" when absent. To my knowledge, I've not received one posting in the Interzone forum nor any words of concern or curiosity from the Administration to my e-mail. And this is the first I've heard suggested my show slot is in jeopardy. So that leaves me in the precarious position of deciding if it's worth continuing.

Anyway, I'm just an e-mail or forum post within earshot! :)

- Cozy

Rick and Roll
02-02-2008, 09:37 AM
May I make a suggestion?

Based on Cozy's comments (sounds like a show title) -

I'd like to have Jim's poll done, privately, comprehensively as soon as Jim can. The same few people (including myself) are having this same discussion, and I don't think we are always representative of the feelings of the Moon listeners. Also, I'd hope that the poll is displayed prominiently and we get a good sampling.

Cozy, do not let anything said here sway you're decision. If you are allowed to do your show, do it. I know I appreciate it no matter when you can do it. I base my show on a) if the admin allows, then b) if I have time. I'm busy with the same demands and family issues as others, but I choose to run most every week. That's just me - if you can, do it...

I'm going to recuse myself now from the thread and will read the future comments with interest. Also, I'll await the polls and other inquiries and work with Jim to implement my show in the best possible manner in the future if allowed.

VAXman
02-02-2008, 09:41 AM
I was thinking of a weekend morning/early afternoon show in the lines of Psychedelic music - early floyd (well, all floyd), td, space rock, hawkwind and the like. Probably trying to stay more in the late 60's early 70's heady music.
Hmm... the hippy throwback I am finds this idea VERY appealing.



Perhaps a show that focuses on Women's contributions to the Prog scene. Sometimes it can seem way too much testosterone is present in our genre. (besides, maybe we can attract more babes to the station.) :-o~ ;) (Really, Im just kidding - please don't send the PC police to my house.)

I love the female prog acts but I fear this would be very quickly exhausted and stifling catagory.


Vax, a.d.d. = attention deficit disorder. Short attention spans.:lurk:
And yes, it is quite an honor to host/share the gags here. And thanks for bringing him aboard. It helped establish our credibility as a serious Prog Rock entity.
OK. In terms of the show length... gotcha. Perhaps this is why TV shows are .5 hour in length with the occasional 1 hour segment.

gr8sho92
02-02-2008, 09:41 AM
I'm thinking there's an opportunity for two new/replacement shows - one, focused on new additions to the Moon. At the rate I've been adding CDs, with the help of the "intervention" group, that should be programmed for a few years.


Anything truly new, released within past few years probably deserves to be featured in its entirety as a premiere of sorts on AM.


The other show I'm thinking about is the "Digressive Rock Hour", digressive meaning songs that just missed making it to the Moon, but are still quality. It'd play electronica, pop/prog, etc that isn't progressive enough to just sit on the playlist, but has that sense of adventurism.

Thoughts?

What's the difference between DRH and what Rick does?

...

What I'm about to say is highly subjective so please forgive. There are times when I read in Shout someone comment about music on moon that is, how shall I say this, wierd. The Who, or Grand Funk or Beethoven. And I'm thinking to myself the same thing. My point is, I suspect most people that come here want to listen to prog (whatever that means). If I'm in the mood for Led Zeppelin, I can always listen to Q104 or something like that, right?

About Gags show. I've listened to it several times. It's a good show except for all the damn commercials. It's easy enough for me to just tune in to their source stream if time on this station needs to be set aside for other shows.

Cheers.

VAXman
02-02-2008, 09:50 AM
Hey guys.... remember me? :)

Cozy who? :D


Interzone has been on hiatus the last few months primarily due to personal issues. There was a period of time where work really got in the way, but then later some health issues with my wife that we're just now pretty much in the clear of.
Hope all's well.



Rarely have I ever had a complaint about the 3-hour format. Usually the 3rd hour is devoted to focusing on one recording relevant to the theme of that show. I think you just have those on the Moon that like the idea of the station being 24/7 requestable and in control. And organized programs take time away from that.

There have been questions from moonies in the shout but, without an answer, I would just say, "You need to ask Cozy."


I would like to think the wide and eclectic variety of music on Interzone would leave a distinct impression. That said I have to question if it's "missed" when absent. To my knowledge, I've not received one posting in the Interzone forum nor any words of concern or curiosity from the Administration to my e-mail. And this is the first I've heard suggested my show slot is in jeopardy. So that leaves me in the precarious position of deciding if it's worth continuing.
Don't let the lack of commentary discourage you. There are those of us who are long time moonies and figure that you are just busy. I know AM is not a job; it's a hobby. There are also many newcomers who simple haven't heard your show and, therefore, wouldn't know it is missing.

VAXman
02-02-2008, 10:12 AM
Anything truly new, released within past few years probably deserves to be featured in its entirety as a premiere of sorts on AM.



What's the difference between DRH and what Rick does?
:dunno:

Save that -- and only by a real s-t-r-e-t-c-h of the imagination and heavy doses of schedule I and possibly II controlled substances -- Judas Priest is NOT nor ever will be prog or even come close to it.


What I'm about to say is highly subjective so please forgive. There are times when I read in Shout someone comment about music on moon that is, how shall I say this, wierd. The Who, or Grand Funk or Beethoven. And I'm thinking to myself the same thing. My point is, I suspect most people that come here want to listen to prog (whatever that means). If I'm in the mood for Led Zeppelin, I can always listen to Q104 or something like that, right?
In my travels I have mentioned AM to people only to hear from them at a later date that when they tuned in they didn't hear what they would have expected and then never bothered to listen again. AM is billed as a prog station and people tune in expecting just that. There's a plethora of other genre specific stations on the internet; if, on a particular day, somebody has a hankering for something like heavy-metal waltzing music, there's likely a heavy-metal waltzing music station to fulfill that desire. In that vein, if, for example, I go to a Yes gig, I wouldn't be very receptive to them singing heavy-metal waltzing song. I'd tune out, or more specifically, walk out in an instant.

OverHillandDale
02-02-2008, 10:31 AM
Cozy, my NoVa friend, we MISS YOU! Really, we do. But we're a fickle bunch sometimes. Out of sight, out of mind.

I'm sorry to hear about your wife. I hope everything is healed and all are okay. It's never an easy thing to deal with juggling life issues, work, family, etc.

I look forward to having you back on the air. And people have been asking about/for you in the shout. Others miss you too.

So don't give up!

VAXman
02-02-2008, 11:15 AM
As a former show-haver myself, here's my nine cents worth:
A whole 9¢! You big spender you! :D


The other thing is this: shows do not HAVE to be each week.
Precisely. If there was to be a 2 or 3 hour show, once a month would be fine. That way a good show can be compiled to fill out the slot without compromising.

Anyway, I'd personally prefer shorter 1 hour shows if they are to be weekly. As it is right now, the present shows (assuming they all air) consume 1/7th of the weekly air time.

thehealingroad
02-02-2008, 12:35 PM
I'm not listening daily but I think the shows are ok the way they are. I love to listen to The Fusion Reactor and The Rickter Scale from time to time. They are playing great stuff, often bands I never heard of before. I hope this will be the same in the future whatever changes you guys will make.

hans

Bmithra
02-02-2008, 02:14 PM
Hey Cozy,

I remember you & your show. I enjoyed your show, and your shouts.

I also miss both.

Knew some things were happening in your life that precluded you from doing shows. Family always comes first. IMHO(I am not often humble about anything involving my opinion). I hope all is well in that regard for you now.

I miss your show.

Hey Sean,

Many of the same comments apply here, as I've said to Cozy.

As well, I miss your show too.

Bmithra

Doing my best not to go into a rant here.
My choice of order has nothing to with favoritism, it is simply alphabetical.

As far as RFW(request free wednesday) is concerned, I have not changed my opinion about it. I still don't like it. I probably never will. But that is just me.

I will go with the flow here, like I always do. I am here because of the music.
That is what its all about anyway. Isn't it?

:rockband: :rockband: :rockband: :rockband: :rawk: :rawk:

I would like to thank all the admins and showmakers for all that they do here, for without them there would be no Aural Moon for the rest of us to listen to. Also, many thanks to Avian(Davin) the man who created this great place.



Bmithra:thumbsup:

gr8sho92
02-02-2008, 04:48 PM
As it is right now, the present shows (assuming they all air) consume 1/7th of the weekly air time.

I'm not surprised at that stat. If you tend to listen frequently, then you are bound to hear a show twice...

Cozy
02-03-2008, 01:15 PM
Hey everyone,

Thanks for the support. I'll be leaving a status message on the Interzone forum shortly.


- Cozy

Andyyyy
02-03-2008, 06:11 PM
Interesting proposed changes! I like some of the ideas. Does SAM have a way of compiling which music is most requested? That might be interesting. OTOH, it won't promote new exciting prog releases. I like the ideas of featuring new releases and the "almost as good as prog" thing.

I also wonder about the age of those requesting stuff like Close to the Edge. I would not request that as I can play it any time, and have played it a LOT over the years. But it would be more exciting knowing that younger listeners are just discovering this great style of music...

gr8sho92
02-03-2008, 10:18 PM
As far as RFW(request free wednesday) is concerned, I have not changed my opinion about it. I still don't like it. I probably never will. But that is just me.


How about treating SAM-only time as a show? Limit it to a 4 hour block or such.

VAXman
02-04-2008, 06:30 AM
VAX, I understand your point on Theme Thursday, but everyone seems to enjoy it.
I know and I have no problem with having a theme request day. The object and focus of theme day was about being creative with the hope of stimulating some varied requests (and thought) instead of some vapid "songs with prepositions, verbs, adverbs, nouns, pronouns, adjectives, alliteration, onomatopoeia, expletives, etc." in the title track. I've had enough of that with some of the shows.

VAXman
02-04-2008, 06:31 AM
Interesting proposed changes! I like some of the ideas. Does SAM have a way of compiling which music is most requested? That might be interesting. OTOH, it won't promote new exciting prog releases. I like the ideas of featuring new releases and the "almost as good as prog" thing.

I also wonder about the age of those requesting stuff like Close to the Edge. I would not request that as I can play it any time, and have played it a LOT over the years. But it would be more exciting knowing that younger listeners are just discovering this great style of music...
SAM? No. But I can via some SQL queries of the database.

Rick and Roll
02-04-2008, 07:06 AM
I know and I have no problem with having a theme request day. The object and focus of theme day was about being creative with the hope of stimulating some varied requests (and thought) instead of some vapid "songs with prepositions, verbs, adverbs, nouns, pronouns, adjectives, alliteration, onomatopoeia, expletives, etc." in the title track. I've had enough of that with some of the shows.

You don't really need a mandated theme to have varied requests. You don't even need to have a theme - a suggestion is helpful, maybe.

Give the Aural Moon listeners some credit - left to their own devices, things work out pretty good.

As for the "vapid" comment, sometimes I'll have a show like that but I tend to shy away from them. the artists played drive the theme, not the other way around. A set theme (as you yourself have stated and I agree) is limiting. Again, the music selection is first then the theme, for me.

I'm not going to speak for other shows that employ "themes".

VAXman
02-04-2008, 07:45 AM
You don't really need a mandated theme to have varied requests. You don't even need to have a theme - a suggestion is helpful, maybe.
Absolutely! However, it was requested/suggested we have a theme day. Fridays, in case you haven't noticed, have also eroded into Fusion Friday; albeit, unofficially.

Give the Aural Moon listeners some credit - left to their own devices, things work out pretty good.
Well.

I'm not discrediting them. It's been a great and fun way to get a sense of community.

Rick and Roll
02-04-2008, 07:51 AM
Absolutely! However, it was requested/suggested we have a theme day. Fridays, in case you haven't noticed, have also eroded into Fusion Friday; albeit, unofficially.


Well.

I'm not discrediting them. It's been a great and fun way to get a sense of community.

I hadn't thanks. I see about the alliterations (Themeing Thursday, Fusion Friday).

KeithieW
02-04-2008, 09:04 AM
Isn't all meant to be about having a bit of FUN?????????

Rick and Roll
02-04-2008, 09:06 AM
Isn't all meant to be about having a bit of FUN?????????

Yes - 1 vote

jtmckinley
02-04-2008, 09:20 AM
Hey Cozy! Long time no hear or read. Glad to hear you're doing well. I miss your show, I guess I never thought of posting in the Interzone forum thread, but I have questioned what happened to the Interzone a couple times in chat.

I'm with Dale & VAX on the psychedelic show, I've always liked that kind of music and consider it to be one of the main precursors to prog and I sometimes listen to the TWOS stream when I need a psychedelic fix, so it would definitely be cool to have a psychedelic show on the Moon in my book. Maybe sometime during the work day (e.g. a spot during 9-5 EST).

Roger -Dot- Lee
02-04-2008, 10:42 AM
I know I'm coming into the fray late here. But there are some points that I feel MUST be addressed.

I've known Tom Gagliardi for many years now. I've been running his show since shortly after Aural Moon first introduced it lo these many years ago.
He's a close, personal friend. Having said that, I'd like to toss in a disclaimer that I'm not taking any of this personally. Just bringing to light some things that may not be evident to Joe Random Listener.


4 hours - Gags is a four hour marathon of which a very low percentage of folks listen to on it's original broadcast night.


This isn't necessarily true. We keep a record of listeners on an hourly basis. Granted, we don't get as many listeners as prime time, but there's more than could even be charitably considered a 'very low percentage'.


Those that come into shout about then usually roll their virual eyes. Now out of that 4 hours, approximatley only 3 hours of it are music. The rest are promotions for New Jersey and other places and events that AM listeners have little to no interest in (or they've heard them so many times....). Do we really want promos and commercials on our airwaves?


You need to adjust your calculations a bit. At most, there are three to five PSAs per hour. That's at most five minutes of every sixty minute hour. That's less than 10%, much less 25%.

We really have no choice in this matter. We pull Tom's show straight off their streaming server and put it right on the air. I could sit and try to block out the PSAs (that Tom is legally required to run), but the alternate would be dead air. Now I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'd find dead air more tedious than PSAs about the latest New Jersey law or historical information about the Pine Barrens.

Besides, there's a technical limitation to consider.

There's usually a seven to ten second delay from the moment Tom says something until it gets to us. It makes timing VERY interesting. That's the main reason there's always a glitch of WBZC foo at the end of his show. I have nothing to judge by save the meters that are bouncing on the station. I can get fairly close, but hitting the cut-off button right as his outro finishes is almost impossible.

Now imagine trying to hit that same button in the middle of a show for sixty seconds of dead air.

Not my idea of an enjoyable Saturday evening, I assure you.


The show just is not working as well anymore, for me. What that show was prior to the RIAA uproad has not seemed to return.


Tom's show hasn't changed appreciably over the break. The format is identical. The PSAs, and the credits have, but the content has largely been the same over the years.


Now, I have to admit I'm new to Tom's shows. I have only been listening to him about 1.5 years - not a very long time. Most of the time I can't understand the dialogue or monologue. I hardly ever know what's playing unless I recognize it. As Lamour said before, that takes a lot of the interest and enjoyment out of the program.


Unfortunately, we can only put out the quality we get. We get a 32k stream from WBZC. That's not likely to improve, since it's a college radio station, and they don't have the budget of a WNBC or KSFO (for our west coast listeners), though if you'd like to offer them a fatter pipe and a heftier server on your dime, I'm sure they wouldn't complain in the least. Barring that, my only suggestion to that is to do what I've been doing since I started listening to Tom many years ago: adjust your client to tone down the bass and treble, and boost the mid range. iTunes has a nice equalizer embedded that works wonders.


What I'd like to see from Tom is a version of his show that he does just for us. Not a rebroadcast of their Saturday night show, but a separate, individually programmed show just for AM listeners.

This isn't going to happen now or ever. Tom is NOT a professional DJ, in spite of how good his radio presence is. He has a Day Job, just like the rest of us, and he doesn't have the time or energy to put together the regular weekly show and THEN, on top of that, a show for us. It's just not practical, and it'd be horribly unfair to ask it of him.

He provides us a service by bringing a much wider variety of unknown and underplayed artists, free of charge. He does it for no other reason than the love of the music, much the same as Vax, Jim, myself, and Avian. To ask for our own special show would NOT fly.

If we were downloading a MP3 from WBZC, and had a couple of hours to go hack at it with an editor, it might (for extremely small values of 'might') be possible to go through and edit out the PSAs. But as Vax and I both have those unfortunate things known as 'real lives' and 'day jobs', we don't have the time to download 500 MB of show, slice out bits and pieces, re-upload, and get it set up in time for the replay. Possible ain't practical.

Hope this clears things up a bit. I'm no fan of the PSAs either (believe me, I've heard them all and more). But I'd hate even more to have to edit them out, only to replace them with dead air, and I'd hate even worse to lose The Gagliarchives.

Roger -Dot- Lee, makin' up for lost time.

VAXman
02-04-2008, 01:45 PM
Unfortunately, we can only put out the quality we get. We get a 32k stream from WBZC. That's not likely to improve, since it's a college radio station, and they don't have the budget of a WNBC or KSFO (for our west coast listeners), though if you'd like to offer them a fatter pipe and a heftier server on your dime, I'm sure they wouldn't complain in the least. Barring that, my only suggestion to that is to do what I've been doing since I started listening to Tom many years ago: adjust your client to tone down the bass and treble, and boost the mid range. iTunes has a nice equalizer embedded that works wonders.
OK. Just interjecting a bit on the technical.

We get a 32Kbps stereo stream. That is not high quality by ANY stretch of the imagination. This 32Kbps can, at max, sample at 22KHz (realistically, that's pretty poor quantization at that rate too). Being that this is a stereo feed, that sampling is safely half that for each channel or 11KHz. Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist-Shannon_sampling_theorem) says that the maximum frequency that can be produced is 1/2 the sample rate. So, this puts the top end around 6KHz. Not great quality? Consider that the high C (key 88 on the piano) is ~4200Hz (middle C is 262Hz, so you can figure it exactly for 4 octaves higher) the frequency spectum we get isn't very good. I'll spare you the Fourier analysis of the distortion that this presents.

That said, I live close enough that I can get Gags off of the FM airwaves. The FCC's FM frequency allocations at ±100KHz permit about 15KHz as the maximum upper frequency (again, I'll spare you the math of the Fourier integral). This is CONSIDERABLY better than we get from the Real stream. If Gags will continue, it was my plan to erect a highly selective, high gain antenna and get the show off of the FM airwaves and encode it in a higher quality MP3 stream to send to the AM server. This would also get rid of the FM preemphasis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemphasis) which now gives Tom's show its bassy boomy sound.

roger
02-04-2008, 04:16 PM
OK. Just interjecting a bit on the technical.

We get a 32Kbps stereo stream. That is not high quality by ANY stretch of the imagination. This 32Kbps can, at max, sample at 22KHz (realistically, that's pretty poor quantization at that rate too). Being that this is a stereo feed, that sampling is safely half that for each channel or 11KHz. Nyquist-Shannon sampling theorem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist-Shannon_sampling_theorem) says that the maximum frequency that can be produced is 1/2 the sample rate. So, this puts the top end around 6KHz. Not great quality? Consider that the high C (key 88 on the piano) is ~4200Hz (middle C is 262Hz, so you can figure it exactly for 4 octaves higher) the frequency spectum we get isn't very good. I'll spare you the Fourier analysis of the distortion that this presents.

That said, I live close enough that I can get Gags off of the FM airwaves. The FCC's FM frequency allocations at ±100KHz permit about 15KHz as the maximum upper frequency (again, I'll spare you the math of the Fourier integral). This is CONSIDERABLY better than we get from the Real stream. If Gags will continue, it was my plan to erect a highly selective, high gain antenna and get the show off of the FM airwaves and encode it in a higher quality MP3 stream to send to the AM server. This would also get rid of the FM preemphasis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preemphasis) which now gives Tom's show its bassy boomy sound.

you'd do that during all your copious free-time, Vax?

/hug

Roger -Dot- Lee
02-04-2008, 07:47 PM
You don't really need a mandated theme to have varied requests. You don't even need to have a theme - a suggestion is helpful, maybe.


I thought that's what they WERE -- suggestions. I wasn't aware that theming thursday was mandatory.



Give the Aural Moon listeners some credit - left to their own devices, things work out pretty good.


I've found, with very limited exceptions, that this is indeed the case. When dealing with a group this large, issues can arise. My policy, however, is to generally let things take their own course.

Unless, of course, they denigrate even further, in which case I'm definitely not hesitant to invoke the titanium-plated drill-bit of common courtesy (as I believe any of the regulars (and even some of the not-so-regulars) can likely attest to).


As for the "vapid" comment, sometimes I'll have a show like that but I tend to shy away from them. the artists played drive the theme, not the other way around. A set theme (as you yourself have stated and I agree) is limiting. Again, the music selection is first then the theme, for me.


True, it may be limiting. However, without following a theme of one form or another, the shows can (and likely will) turn into little more than a three hour request block. Not something I'm interested in supporting.

Roger -Dot- Lee

VAXman
02-04-2008, 08:09 PM
you'd do that during all your copious free-time, Vax?

/hug
Free time? Nah, I just sacrifice sleep. Besides, sleep is highly overrated.

Roger -Dot- Lee
02-04-2008, 08:15 PM
OK. Just interjecting a bit on the technical.

Always welcome from this corner of God's Country.

Though other members might disagree.

Anyway, on to the comments and questions:


We get a 32Kbps stereo stream. That is not high quality by ANY stretch of the imagination.


No, it's really not. I don't believe I've ever heard Gags on the 56k stream, so I can't say for certain how much of an impact this could have on sound quality. I'm sure it wouldn't be all that much as the limiting factor is still the 32k we get from WBZC.


This 32Kbps can, at max, sample at 22KHz (realistically, that's pretty poor quantization at that rate too).


I agree on the statement that it's poor quantization. I'm wondering, however, why the sampling rate is so low, especially considering that the audio is compressed before it even heads this way (I believe).

Side question: does Real Player use compression? If it can, but we're currently not, we may want to consider it. It may be a bit of extra work, but I think the benefits would outweigh the additional overhead.



I'll spare you the Fourier analysis of the distortion that this presents.


Let's talk off line.



That said, I live close enough that I can get Gags off of the FM airwaves.


How far out are you? And will inclement weather perhaps cause signal degradation as well as 'black holes'?


The FCC's FM frequency allocations at ±100KHz permit about 15KHz as the maximum upper frequency (again, I'll spare you the math of the Fourier integral).


Again, let's take it off line.

Dr. Dot, doin' some postdoc work here.

VAXman
02-04-2008, 08:28 PM
Side question: does Real Player use compression? If it can, but we're currently not, we may want to consider it. It may be a bit of extra work, but I think the benefits would outweigh the additional overhead.
I don't know all of the details of Real's codecs; however, I would say it's safe to assume that the quality calculation wouldn't improve much with incorporation.




How far out are you? And will inclement weather perhaps cause signal degradation as well as 'black holes'?
Well, as the crow flies, about 22 miles. As the horseflies, about 35 miles as we have to go around Lakehurst Naval Air Engineering Station. It's a 40-45 minute drive for me from home to Tom's studio. Be aware this is south Jersey and those are NOT highway miles.

As for black holes, I haven't seen any.

Thor
02-05-2008, 07:29 AM
Personally I think that the compression of Gags makes the show unlistenable on the web, and dropping it would be fine with me.

I do like Mcfee's Progshores which I haven't heard in a long while.

On another note, I like the concept of a Digressive Prog Show, but I'm not sure if it would work since there would be major battles as to what is and isn't prog again. BÖC Deep Purple, etc. I'm sure someone out there feels that The Carpenters is viable.... but I digress.

lamour
02-05-2008, 01:49 PM
I've known Tom Gagliardi for many years now. I've been running his show since shortly after Aural Moon first introduced it lo these many years ago.
He's a close, personal friend.


Great! Today on his show Tom said something that made me curious about something. However, since nobody who seems to know anything about him or his show was around listening to it, I couldn't get an answer to my question.

He said something that made it sound like his father was famous or important in the music industry or something, and it made me wonder...who is Tom? Who is his father?

I've never heard his name anywhere except on the moon, so I don't have any idea who he is, but people seem to talk about him here like he's the reason prog exists. I feel like I'm missing some important piece of information.

[note: as I reread this, I feel that it would be easy to misread the tone of this message. I'm not being antagonistic. I'm just asking a question that I don't have the answer to.]


thanks,
lamour

Rick and Roll
02-05-2008, 03:19 PM
Great! Today on his show Tom said something that made me curious about something. However, since nobody who seems to know anything about him or his show was around listening to it, I couldn't get an answer to my question.

He said something that made it sound like his father was famous or important in the music industry or something, and it made me wonder...who is Tom? Who is his father?

I've never heard his name anywhere except on the moon, so I don't have any idea who he is, but people seem to talk about him here like he's the reason prog exists. I feel like I'm missing some important piece of information.

[note: as I reread this, I feel that it would be easy to misread the tone of this message. I'm not being antagonistic. I'm just asking a question that I don't have the answer to.]


thanks,
lamour

Lamour, please visit his website, it has a section devoted to his father.

I don't think you're missing anything. I don't have that impression.

gr8sho92
02-05-2008, 05:48 PM
I've never heard his name anywhere except on the moon, so I don't have any idea who he is, but people seem to talk about him here like he's the reason prog exists. I feel like I'm missing some important piece of information.


He's only 35, so that's not it. My impression of the history here is that he was a person that embraced prog when many of us (including me) had stopped listening to prog. He carried the torch and as such has established himself as a tour de force in this area. A subject matter expert if you will.

If you follow some of the discussions on progarchives, there were some interesting posts of people referring to the acts of the early 70s that pioneered prog as dinosaur bands, implying the notion of extinction. The renaissance (pun intended) of prog in recent years is very interesting to me, including a lot of excellent music that has surfaced in the past few, and a reason I embrace AM.

lamour
02-06-2008, 11:22 AM
Lamour, please visit his website, it has a section devoted to his father.

I Googled for about 15-20 mintues before I gave up. He has a website? I couldn't find anything with any information on it at all. Perhaps I just didn't use the right terms.

OK, I found a gagliarchives site that links to his father's website. He's a jazz guitarist in Philly and Tom's icon-ness is completely unrelated?


I don't think you're missing anything. I don't have that impression.

well...just looking at this thread (and the parent thread):

My $0.02. Tom Gagliardi is clearly an icon in the prog world.

Precisely!

Indeed he is and I feel that Aural Moon should be honoured to run his show.

Tom's musical knowledge is tantamout to the Prog scene on the East coast. He is a major force to be utilized to support and promote the growth and sustainment of Progressive Rock in the United States and abroad.

while I overstated it before for emphasis, this is still pretty high praise for someone I know nothing about. I was just curious who he is. I'm not saying that the praise is undeserved, just that I have no information to go on, that's all.

(because it's all about me) ;-)


ignorantly,
lamour

Rick and Roll
02-06-2008, 11:32 AM
lamour,

I sent you my email so we can take a discussion offline. In the meantime -

http://www.gagliarchives.com/

Rick

PFD
02-06-2008, 01:02 PM
OK...I have to ask:

What does this mean?

"The new Home Edition of the Gagliarchives coming soon on Aural Moon "

What does Home Edition mean?

sharcnorris
02-06-2008, 03:36 PM
O.K., Im a grizzeled old Progger.
1) I need the Rickter Scale. The man has seen live, more bands then the moon could play in a Day. Im constantly Introduced to Whole CD's of New Artists with a chance to get the whole thing played. He knows more about the Modern Artists than Any Moonie Alive except the Boss. He also appreciates the Edges of prog. ( like T.Dolby or TF Fears) R&R is a must
2) Gags is a must, insitefull and Interviews with the Best Artists. He held the torch when most let it slip out of their Hands.
3) I like Cozy and Interzone, However Im really into the Fusion action not the pure jazz. His expertise of all "that Jazzy Crap" Is so good but I find that his Straight Jazz artists are not in the Moons Vein.
4) Sean has the world covered but sometimes its just to obsure, I have said before that just because its Prog doesnt make it automatically good. Many poor artists IMHO

5) This station NEEDS a New release Show! Period
6) Now to make Jim and Management Cringe, I would still Like a Classics show for an Hour or Two from recordings of the giants of '66 to 86' :bang!:

lamour
02-07-2008, 08:19 AM
3) I like Cozy and Interzone, However Im really into the Fusion action not the pure jazz. His expertise of all "that Jazzy Crap" Is so good but I find that his Straight Jazz artists are not in the Moons Vein.

And that's why there's more than one show on the Moon. I love Cozy's show. It's up to Jim if it fits his vision for the station, but it's certainly music to my ears. ;-)

(you didn't mention Moses' show, but my comments are the same for that)



4) Sean has the world covered but sometimes its just to obsure, I have said before that just because its Prog doesnt make it automatically good. Many poor artists IMHO


How on earth can you ever get too obscure for prog? Just because it's obscure doesn't mean it's bad. A lot of what I like to listen to sounds like noise to other people.* That's kinda why I'm here. Cutting a show from the Moon because it doesn't only play bands that sound like everyone else seems like a bad idea to me. I'd rather hear something that sounds like nothing I've ever heard before on the off chance that it's something I'll love than to hear more music by bands rehashing the same stuff over and over. I would think the whole point of shows is to introduce us to new things we probably wouldn't find otherwise.

* one time I had 3-4 browser tabs open on youtube videos and the browser crashed. when I started it back up it started playing all of them at the same time. I didn't realize what was happening at first, so I was trying to figure out what song was playing because it was so awesome I wanted to go buy it. ;-)

(it was 2 Naikaku songs, a Stanley Clarke song, and something else, I think. In case you care.)


6) Now to make Jim and Management Cringe, I would still Like a Classics show for an Hour or Two from recordings of the giants of '66 to 86'

wow, they win one silly football game and now the Giants get a radio show on the Moon? How crazy is that? ;-)


Whatever happens happens. As long as the music stays fresh, I'm happy.


imho,
lamour

sharcnorris
02-07-2008, 09:43 AM
* one time I had 3-4 browser tabs open on youtube videos and the browser crashed. when I started it back up it started playing all of them at the same time. I didn't realize what was happening at first, so I was trying to figure out what song was playing because it was so awesome I wanted to go buy it. ;-)
(it was 2 Naikaku songs, a Stanley Clarke song, and something else, I think. In case you care.)
imho,
lamour

I was Incorrect saying that Pure Jazz was not in the Moons Vein. Its not in my interest and I listen to the Moon for Proggy Things.
What is in the Moons Veins is whatever Jim Wants to Inject into it. Its his Arm

I have been Shouting with Sean And Cozy for years, talking about all these things. At night back on the Old Page sometimes with the 16 other listeners, it was just Me, Vax and the DJ's. They Know I love and Respect them.
As a differant type of Artist I just believe in Quality not Quantity. They know all the Jewels, sometimes its sounds like cut Glass to me.

Jim has asked for opinions of the shows
I do not enjoy the recordings of what IMHO sounds like noise to me, ex.GYBE.
Its here for anyone who enjoys it to RQ. .... Variety is what makes the world go round.

the_original_ib
02-07-2008, 10:30 AM
I have no problem with the sharc's comments. One thing I try to do is play artists that you otherwise would not have a chance to hear. Sometimes they are only available on vinyl, and can be pretty hard to find. So someone might have been curious about a band (or had no idea they existed) and then find out they enjoy it. And of course another band that is long forgotten may have been so for a reason. I am sure some of the tracks I have played are poor, and I'm actually hoping that the move to 90 minutes will reduce the number of times I feel I have to "add something" to get up to a full two hour show.

It's a funny thing, but I actually got involved with Musique ProgresSon when my eventual business partner found out about my Aural Moon show (I was doing Canadian shows at the time) and tuned in, then contacted me. The result after a few years is that many of these artists are now available on CD. So Aural Moon has some indirect responsibility for the ProgQuebec label.

Cozy
02-07-2008, 07:26 PM
I'm just ringing in to say I have no problems with Sharc's comments either. Discussion of the shows is (almost) always a good thing, and I think Sean, Rick, and myself (not trying to speak for everyone) are always open to comments.

Quickly two comments...

Regarding Sean's show and "obscurities", it's kind of the nature of the game when doing shows about different countries. If nothing else, the EXPOSURE into another country's progressive rock and related output that one would otherwise likely never hear should be a fascinating experience even if your ultimate feeling is that most of the music that day did little for you.

Regarding Interzone, I try to make the content varied enough so that if you don't like what's on one week, there's a good chance I'll play something you'll like the week after, as I currently feature about 7 or 8 different show themes.


- Cozy

progdirjim
02-08-2008, 01:21 AM
Thanks everyone for all the comments. I am closing each of the individual show threads for comments. I guess that means they're closed for voting as well.

I apologize for the conflict that I unwittingly generated. Really, all I was trying to do was calibrate my feelings about the various shows. I was not planning any drastic changes, like unilaterally eliminating any shows. Anyway, I have enough verbal feedback, and there will be some modest changes in existing shows but nothing is going away. I will be working on some ideas for additional themes/shows/new music playtime. Any changes will be announced.

I also unwittingly, but happily, helped to bring Cozy and Sean back into current rotation, so to speak, so there should be some good new shows coming up. Stay tuned, you just might learn something - I usually do.

Thanks for the candid feedback. The listeners are the only reason for Aural Moon to exist. Without you, I'd just take my insanely large, as a result of obsessive/compulsive disorder, music collection and go home. R)

Roger -Dot- Lee
02-08-2008, 05:29 PM
Thanks for the candid feedback. The listeners are the only reason for Aural Moon to exist. Without you, I'd just take my insanely large, as a result of obsessive/compulsive disorder, music collection and go home. R)


Now without letting me get at least a copy you don't...

I've got 3.8 TB of disk space here at home and my pr0n collection is NOT that big.

Roger -Dot- Lee 'nuff said.