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iTunes

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I listen to Aural Moon into my bedroom with a PC Windows Vista + I Tunes + connection via a M-Audio Card to a Hi- Fi Toshiba MC 663DW with 2 speakers, shortly I'll buy others 2 speakers!! Sometimes I use phones!!
Unfortunelly I can't to listen Aural Moon into my office , my pacients don't like it, I have a PC there but I use just to guard the folders, files and cases of the pacients by an specific program, without Internet.
When I arrive at home I am crazy to listening prog. music then I turn on Aural Moon!! :hot: :aua: :yougo :D

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Maybe you should play some Thinking Plague....it's as pleasant as dental work!:rolleyes:

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Yes Rick!! With synths and theremins amplificated, the turbine sound disappears, could be a good audio therapy, the bacteries are killed by the high audio frequences!!:aua: :D :rofl:ha,ha,ha....
By friend!!
Toc.

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Well My iPod finally died.So the wife for some reason picked me up a zune.I was like im going to hate it.Well its alright.But it gets me to something you guys should check out(was looking for a player to replace itunes.Well i found one and You can stream with it to its called Foobar2000 http://www.foobar2000.org/.It uses almost 1/8 of the Memory of iTunes and at lest to me sounds 10X better.Its a bit tricky getting use to it but Im loving it.If you want to try it and want to steam the moon go to File/Add location and put in the url.But anyway i thought you guys may want to try it out and see for yourself s im glade i did.

Also a edit in it can do aacplus streaming :)

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I wouid try it out but it's platform specific.

As for memory, FooBar doesn't do video (not that I care about video in iTunes) so that may be some of the size that iTunes consumes. I checked an iTunes on a PeeCee and it's 16MB. How big a footprint does FooBar have?

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Right now Im streaming the moon and its using 4,500k memory.Thats to 60,000k iTunes uses when its running the moon.

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I'm running a program and it's using 100% of the CPU. I suppose I need a faster CPU too. :horsepoop [1]


iTunes, on my Powerbook, is using 240+MB of virtual address space. The statistics monitor says that it's resident in 40+MB of physical memory -- That's only 2% of my total physical memory. Personally, albeit I'll have to trust the OS X/unix memory management subsystem's decisions, I'd rather see MORE physical memory used and less paging/swapping for virtual I/O. However, it could be that the 200M of other pages are for options in iTunes that I am not currently using; thus, proper for it to be paged out of the working set.

With memory access on the order of nSecs (nanosecond: 1e-9) and disk access on the order of mSecs (milliseconds: 1e-3), memory is a MILLION times faster (1e-3/1e-9 = 1e6). I'm very happy that iTunes is memory resident and consuming that whole 2% of my entire physical memory configuration.

I also have my streaming buffering set to large. iTunes can take and buffer all it wants. I hate stream hiccups.

Also, being multi-threaded (and I've written my share of multi-threaded apps), the thread managers keep heap set aside for the various threads. I know I can listen to AM on iTunes streaming in and being streamed out to my AirportExpress to speakers while ripping CDs and watching a video. I could probably be downloading from the iTunes store too but I don't buy music on line. The point being that I don't miss a single note of what is playing on AM while all of this is running.

On the PeeCee and Weendoze, who can actually tell what portion of memory an application is actually using. It's DLL hell. Are all of the DLLs that have been loaded for this application included in the tallies for memory usage by the statistics tool(s) available? I'd doubt it.

I could go into the translation buffer look-aside design, translation buffer mismatch and translation buffer invalidation schemes of each of the OSs and point out the benefits of leaving things in memory, but I don't want to bore you with too many OS design details all at once.

The point herein is that memory use is no metric of performance; however, the more physical memory in today's virtual memory environments, the better the general overall performance. Don't snarl just because a program is using it without a thorough understanding of the nuances of VM.


Footnotes
[1] If you believe this, I am MORE than willing to see you one.

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Holy Crap Vaxman my brains going to explode!!!!=8^O You lost me at PeeCee:surrender.Really It seems to me to foobar runs a bit better than itunes but it might be just me and foobar is just a audio player and thats it so it really don't need a massive footprint :).

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I agree with the points made in this post. These points are surely valid for larger applications that manage a lot of data.

When it comes to streaming shoutcast (which is what this thread is about), this is a very focused and specific task. The music comes down the wire to my computer and I want it to come out the speakers. On some machines I have, they are very resource challenged including my work laptop. It uses over 430MB of RAM just to boot the darn thing and the vast majority of which I have no control over since the asset doesn't belong to me. Using an unobtrusive player that uses a small amount of RAM is very useful in this situation. If you have a very very low-end machine that has a small amount of RAM (say 160MB total), running an application with a small memory requirement is handy.

If you are so inclined Vax and have low-end w* machine around, try XMPlay just for grins.

I want to point out that I DO use iTunes to manage my personal music library because of my iPod. But for listening to AM, XMPlay does the job nicely in a very stealthy way.

Cheers

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The claim, as I read it, what that the smaller memory footprint made it better.

I don't know the XMPlay s/w and I guess I never will. I looked to download it and try it, but it is Weendoze only.

The thing to remember is that iTunes is a collections of myriad functions including playing Video. Personally, I would have preferred Apple to divorce the Video from iTunes and create an iVideo/iWatch/iTV application but they did not. It's like a single guy with a sedan. He really only uses one seat but the others are still there. Should he buy a motorcycle? Or, stick with the sedan in case he wants to pick up a videographer, a database manager, a shopper and TV broadcaster?

My first comment about the 100% CPU was from a real customer situation. If you don't understand what the computer metrics you are observing mean, then you'd be best off to stop wasting system resources to collect/view them. The story is quite humorous. If you want to know, I can describe it in another thread or a PM.

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I don't have a problem with the designpoint. A 5th gen iPod or better can do video so the application that supports syncing it should do all of the work necessary to feed it data. I've been using iTunes as soon as it became available and was using MusicMatch before that (this is what Apple was shipping with the Gen I iPod).

Let's say you have a lot of music stored locally. In order for iTunes to start, it needs to read some XML files. If the library it manages is large enough, you may need to wait anywhere from 30 to 60 seconds just to open iTunes application. Same on the closing side when it writes the XML back out to disk apparently. This isn't a big deal to me if I need to deal with managing updates to the iPod.

But when it comes to listening to AuralMoon, I've gotten spoiled by the "instant on" aspect of smaller applications like XMP, or running PocketTunes on the Treo 650.