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Some of Moonies say "most of over 20 minutes songs are boring",
but I suggest they might need more effort to listen to the long-playin' songs.
There're a lot of great songs for over 20 minutes I think...
e.g. Yes' songs from "Tales from topographic oceans", Sebastian Hardie's "Windchase",
Citizen Cain's "Somewhere but yesterday", Grateful Dead's "Dark star",
Allman's Brothers Band's "Mountain Jam", etc. etc...

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Milliontown by Frost*

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I for one have never had any problem with long(over 20min.) songs. They are an important part of what makes up the uniqueness of the Moon.:rockband:

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Rams,

And an important part of what makes up the uniqueness of Progressive music too!

I read the Neal Morse new CD thread... it said "most of the songs are 5 minutes" but don't worry, there was the everpresent 30 min prog number.
I liked that!

PROG ON MOONIES!!

Regards from Texas,
Ted

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I would suggest that either the listener complaining is selfishly waiting for their own request to come up or are just trying to find a way to complain about that particular artist.

Either way, it's just not cricket. Perhaps the Rolling Stones said it best: "You can't always get what you want. But if you try real hard, you get what you need." Try to find the positive in everything you listen to. It will make the experience better for all.

But, that's just my NSHO.

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Magic Pie - Change
Magic Pie - Circus of Life part 4, Trick of the Mind

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OHD,

Thank you for that positive and upbeat look at the issue. You make great points - and I appreciate it.

Often we only see (hear) what we want to see (hear) - causing us to have warped vision.

And sometimes it is best to keep one's mouth shut - rather than risk putting both feet in!

cliche's away. my 2 cents - and change to spare...

Regards from Texas,
Ted

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20 or more minutes epics have been part of prog history since the beginning...so why we should not request them?

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Some Moonies will remember that day I requested the more than 21 minute song "Space is the place" from SUN RA. It was the full 21 minutes great fun in the shoutbox. One warning : Make sure you have a good reason to request it again !!!

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I remember that Erik. I think I had your back!

Um, complaining about a long song on a prog station? Isn't that like complaining your dish has noodles on it at an Italian restaurant? Or complaining that you smell like crap if you are study bats?

The only thing even remotely legitimate here, in my mind, is if there's someone who requests five long songs a day. That'd be abusing the idea of a group station. I request a lot, but usually only one "epic" every so often.


Whoever it was: I dedicate to you the entire King Black Acid album, "King Black Acid Loves a Long Song." :P

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Heresy! I say, long tunes are to prog as grapes are to wine country......

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I concur...HERE HERE!

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Judging by the comments made up to now , these "moonies", the short song ones, died along with the ones who find the moon noisy.

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I seem to recall this discourse. If I'm right, folks were complaining about long waits for their own request. I can understand that, but I can't imagine AM, or prog itself, without long songs. It's one of its hallmarks. Limited to short songs, AM would be like, well, all those radio stations that refused to play long songs, but were crazy enough to play the four-minute cut of Thick as a Brick. I hated that! Of course, on the other hand, I like to hear variety. And I like to hear new stuff. And I wish I didn't have to spend time listening to music I have become bored with. And I wish...oh wait, we're talking about long songs, not long-winded diatribes. Oh right, speaking of diatribes, I was once on a train traveling through Germany, and there was this...

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I LIVE for the epics !!! How many times have you listened to a ten minute song and said "they should have made that longer"?

Spock's Beard--The Great Nothing.

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Yea, how many times have you listened to an epic and thought, "Will this thing ever end? They should have edited this thing down." And no, "Echoes" isn't one of them, although there are a few GYBE! songs that would count - a FEW. :D

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Just like sour grapes are to whine country?

:imp: :bang!:

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LOL..... no sour grapes here.

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TFK - Garden of Dreams

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Now THAT would be a GREAT thread - what songs should be longer?

(and anyone who say PF "Echoes" will be banned from the station ;)

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California Guitar Trio's 12-14 minute version of Echoes at 3RP (also on their most recent I think) was one of the best moments I've ever experienced seeing a show.

Can't agree with progz about Great Nothing. Took me a while to warm up to it, and seeing it live (also at 3RP) finally sealed the deal. It's fine at 26+ 8-)

I'm sure there a billion examples of Jim's idea. Here's one:

Rush's "Different Strings". Guitar starts going off...three minutes in to the song, fade out....pu**ies.....

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Long live long tunes!

One point to clarify in my case, I once complained about long requests, not because they were boring or anything like that, but mostly because I was thinking of the people in the west who wake up later than the people in the east. I was putting myself in their shoes, so to speak, and wondering how frustrating it must be for them to want to request something and looking at an already long queue and seeing 3 or 4 possible long tune in there with "Water on the moon" already in progress... :-)

But really, that is my problem, not anyone else's.

ps- Shorter tunes that should be longer: Brand X tried it with their song "April" which is a wonderful 2 min 40 second closer on "Products". They offer us "A longer April" (7:00) on "Is there anything about?" and while it is not too bad, I prefer the original shorter version.

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Well said! That was a college favorite, I think that's a Giblin song...Ipanaemia is a great opening song on Anything About. I still don't have that on CD.

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Sun Ra - Space is the place. Could be double the length and I wouldn't tire of it.

"Hello......that a nice white coat you're wearing sir. Where are we going and why can't I move my arms?"

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1. Creedence Clearwater Revival - Born on the Bayou
2. Yes - A Venture (fade out right when Steve takes off)
3. Fontanelle - Red Light, Green Light
4. Mountain - Mississippi Queen

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I've proffered the idea, many times, of corrolating the time wait with the length. Ex: Less than 10:00 = two hours between RQ. 10:00 to 20:00 = three hours between RQ. OVer 20:00 = four hours between RQ. I think this would "nip in the bud" the problem of one person requesting a lot of long songs in a day. There're are no restrictions on what can be requested, nor how often; just a nice way to keep things more "proportional." My two cents, anyhow!

If only Jim and VAXman would grasp my brilliance! 8-) Actually, I know that it would just mean more work for VAX, so I get that it's not vital!

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I think maybe almost all of Moonies have complaint of waiting songs they request.
I'm afraid listeners sometimes try hard to receive rapid and repeated changes of sound...

But...but I suggest this changes of sound must be the essence of progrock, as seasons change on the earth.

Thanks for a lot of opinions on the thread. I appreciate.
And could you let me request my favorite over-20-minute songs from now? :notworthy

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Thanx Marquer.

I was the one who previously brought up the long request issue for us Westerly types. See the request etiquette thread.

I'd like to point peeplz back at the thread, since it is again an issue (for me) in the past weeks. My requests on Thu/Fri are back to 4-6 hr delays, without any shows to bump the queue.

Goo.

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As I've said before (and I checked to make sure I was consistent) the only two effective ways are to have the listeners police themselves (to quote the Beatles ha ha ha hee hee hee ho ho ho) or to limit the number of requests further.

Of course having a show, I should recuse myself from the discussion. Although, I rarely make requests, maybe a few times a year. But 3 rq's a day per person seems enough for me.

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I rarely request (I'm in and out of the room, and rarely get to hear the request anyway). Must admit, I have requested long ones, just to "make it worthwhile". I won't do that anymore, given that I just found this thread.
But why not have a little notice on the request page for folks like me who hadn't contemplated how annoying it was to others, and wasn't aware of the etiquette.
It won't help for those who ignore such suggestions, but might help a little.

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Absolutely, we can have etiquette on requesting.
Thanks for your input, Magoo, Rick and Andrew. I appreciate.

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My feeling is that in no way shape or form should the length of the request ever be limited. Number, sure, but if you want to hear a long tune, why not?

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(VAX will dry heave when he reads this.)

Here's an idea. What if each member had a time quota, say 5 hours per month maximum, that they could request. When you hit it, SAM locks out out till the 1st?

Just an idea.

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I have an idea. How about a discussion group of 5-10 people that could discuss the requests issue over a small period of time. It would be like a workgroup that would come up with alternatives, that Jim can look over and decide.

I would not want to be part of this, since I do not have any burning desire for change nor any attachment with the staus quo.

But if it's an issue with enough people for change, discuss it and see what comes up.

I'd be happy to help in any way or facilitate the discussion, but I'm not going to offer any more opinion - this is for others who are impacted by the requests to decide.

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Just to add to the dry heave quotient, maybe rather than a time quota, but a delay in when you can request again depending on accumulated length of requests over the past, I dunno, week? In fact, you could add that track length to the - what is it? - initial hour waiting time. And subtract a minute for every hour since the request was made, down to a minimum of one hour.
Are we all gagging now? :-)

That way, the odd long track can come in, but will result in that person not being able to request another for a while.

Agree with Rick a bit. Having a restriction on what tracks can be requested makes one wonder why have the tracks in the library in the first place?

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how about.. if you request a song over 15 minutes long you get your number of total requests for the day cut by 3/4. extreme, yes. or here's an idea. if you don't like long tunes, go to your personal play list, like I do. Life is too short. Geeezzzz. Done with this one. Oh, I'm not pointing the finger at anyone here. We all can get along.

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I suggest almost all of Moonies love some of over 20 minutes songs.
But the requests have some problems...with etiquette or solution by the members of this thread, they're maybe OK, aren't they?

I'm so glad all of you give me lots of opinions.

Anyway, my favorite 20+ songs I've recorded from here and am enjoying.
Is it OK? :hmph:

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Similar to my old idea of having the wait time be related to the song time. Less than 10 minutes = Two hours. 10 to 20 minutes = Three Hours. Longer than 20 = Four hours. :-V

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Just goes to show. Great minds...:salute