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QUOTE]Originally posted by Yesspaz
Oh, the old "Not a prog band but they have a few prog songs" debate. I'm down, but the only problem is that if the definition is stretched enough, EVERY artist has a prog song. "Open the Floodgates," as it were. I can make an argument for at least 2 songs off every Journey album, easily agreeing that most is straight AOR. Same for Foreigner and Boston and Guns N Roses. Why not "Estranged," "Civil War," and "November Rain" from the Use Your Illusion albums? I'm not actually making a case for them - rather pointing out the reasoning for certain Sabbath can be applied elsewhere ad-nauseum. [/quote]
I couldn't disagree more. It's not that debate at all. It's an inquiry by Methem, and well-phrased and concise (not my strong suit). In fact, I was trying to steer the subject clear of only adding selected cuts (as stated in my post). "Fluff" is not more prog-worthy than "A National Acrobat", but "Fluff" is included for discussion I think by Methem because it's different than their usual fare. "A National Acrobat" is very prog - but, it is consistently heavy - and that turns off a lot of people.
Really, I'd like to steer clear of this debate. I'll do a show in March and we maybe can bandy it about then. Jim says at some point he may be amenable to listening to some and thinking about it. That's about all we can ask.
By the way I heard a song off the "Ladder" today...and if I didn't know it was Yes, I'd wonder how it got in the library. It was a nice tune but Air Supply could have sung it (really). That's why I don't generally try to go tune by tune. I'd rather look at a band's body of work, and take album by album. I also mentioned Sabbath's first four should probably NOT fit on the Moon. But albums 5-8 CAN. That doesn't mean there's not some prog moments on "Paranoid" (record 2). "War Pigs" is a Progressive tune. "Electric Funeral" is not. But in general the record is not prog enough.
Finally, you put "Air Dance" and "Civil War" and "Starrider" to the "PROG TEST" and "Air Dance" wins every time. There's no debate there. The latter two are just good tunes by non-prog bands. "Civil War" is not any more proggy than "Welcome To The Jungle". It's just a song with a few more twists and turns.
I'm looking forward to this. You'd be surpised with some of the tracks on "Sabotage" and "Never Say Die". Yeah, maybe in a few weeks even (I'm getting excited)......
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