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Originally posted by Cozy
So even a band like Citizen Cain is progressive rock to me because they are playing beyond the basic conventions of rock.
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Yeah, I agree with that. Progressive rock no longer means rock that pushes the boundaries, but rather rock that pushes the boundaries + rock that follows in the steps of those who pushed the boundaries. I actually think Citizen Cain is decent, just cloner. I'd never buy their stuff because if I want that sound, what's gonna beat Selling England by the Pound? I just get frustrated that when a band DOES push the basic conventions of rock (including standard prog as "basic conventions" now), they get little airing amongst prog circles. For all intents and purposes, Post Rock is the prog rock of the 90s. It'd never been done before, it was fresh, it broke rules, and it pushed boundaries. Prog grew from a disdain of pop and a love of classical and jazz. Post's roots are implied in its name: it grew from a disdain of pop and a boredom of the punk and hard-core of the 80s. Punk led to post-punk and hard-core led to post-core. Post-punk and post-core sort of combined and led to post-rock, an experimental and boundary pushing music that dominated the underground of the 1990s. In other words, the prog community completely missed the truly "progressive rock" of the 1990s and lots of it today.
They've become a slowly devolving oligarchy.
...Spaz takes cover from the impending volleys of anti-Spaz ordinance...
P.S. Rick, I see your arguments about the divide over Godspeed and Mars Volta. Per GYBE!, I guess some of us simply like funereal tempos (read: my love for Tarentel). Per Mars Volta, the thing about his voice kind of makes Mars Volta a textbook case of the argument outlined above. Mars Volta goes back to At the Drive-In. If you listen to the progression (there's that word), on AtDI's first album, they were simply a really good punk/core band, screeching vocals and all. But they got increasingly complex and experimental to the point that the final album as AtDI, "Relationships of Command," was what could be called "proggish punk/core." Their drummer and bassist were fed up with it, the band split, and the two pushing "our way" formed The Mars Volta, while the other two formed some already forgotten punk band. So, now we have a truly original prog band pulling from their various international backgrounds, with a wailing post-punk vocal style. Quite simply, it's compelling and provacative music (and FRESH), and there's nothing like it. I hate that his voice is an issue for some folks, because it grows on you, and if you like it, you're treated to some phenomenal playing.
Anyway, if you see my argument, here we've got a prog band that doesn't sound like
<insert classic prog/kraut band here> and the prog community as a whole doesn't know what to do with it.
Wow, that's a really long P.S.
P.P.S., I've got nothing against you or your opinions, Rick. Anyone who lauds King's X can't be a bad guy (Sept. 27th marked on calender
).