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Old 05-24-2003, 10:49 PM
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I would agree that the idea is to find prog music, not necessariy to identify prog bands. it's entirely possible that some of those bands have brought people into the prog camp, by enticing them with pop/prog blends. (I expect that's what happened with me!)
That's absolutely true Roger, there are many non Prog' bands that had some prog albums like:

The Who: Quadrophenia and maybe Tommy
Rolling Stones: Their Satanic Majesties Request
Uriah Heep: The Magician's Birthday and Look at Yourself.

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Ivan, please don't blame EW&F for the Abacab record. It's no secret Phil Collins loves Motown, and that was his push during that period. Especially his solo stuff, very-Motown influenced. So, it goes back even farther than EW&F. I think Rutherford & Banks share in the blame, too. They got lazy. Of course it's not even on the radar screen with the earlier Genesis (yes, even ATTWT & Duke, those records are solid), but still a worthwhile effort.
I never blamed EW&F RICK (Sorry for the mistaken name), I blamed Genesis, Motown is OK (for those who like it), but you can't mix two bands so diferent and with such opposite styles. Genesis was still considered a prog' band and EW&F was one of the most commercial bands in the market. In this case I blame Phil, because Tony Banks wanted to make the horns with his synth, but Phil insisted to include EW&F, they agreed to admit them in one song only.

I don't think they got lazy, I believe Phil and Mike Rutherford were always POP oriented, remember the main contribution from Mike in W&W was "Your Own Special Way" which IMO is almost as boring as More Fool Me and later Genesis stufff; and Tony left them include more POP stuff in order to save Genesis and earn some big bucks.

Iván

PS: Just saw your reply Yesspaz, and your opinion is valid, but I still think Journey music is not prog' , they have great stuff, but music doesn't need to be prog' in order to be good, and about Invissible Touch, honestly I hate it from the first to the last note.

It's hard for an old dog to learn new tricks, I listen Gabriel Genesis since I was 13, and I can't accept that the same band that created Fountain of Salmacis and Musical Box could ever release Invissible Touch or Shapes. That's why I'm so hard with Genesis, because I love their early stuff so much.

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