While Flash and Java has nothing to do with the composition of this wonderfully structured and stable website (thank you very much, V-man), FF does depend on those languages for other reasons (not that I know which and what they are). When I've upgraded to V4 beta and later RC and current edition, each time it prompted me to update my flash to the latest V as well. Its just part of the weird and wacky world of m$. Besides, what kind of fun is it when everything works correctly all the time? Where's the challenge in that?