A programming suggestion

[Yesspaz]

Hey Avian and Jim, I've got a suggestion. SAM doesn't allow the same artist to play twice in a two hour period. Is there anyway to limit the same song? Triumvirant's Mister Ten Percent played TWICE today (Saturday)!!! Hearing a 20min song twice is one day is unnecessary. Is there a way to set SAM to where there is a 24 or 48 hour limiter on the same song? If 48, then that could also stop people from requesting the same song every day for two weeks.

Just thinking while I listen to a Neil Young cd until Mister Ten Percent goes off...

So you heard it twice today (and so did I) but the person who requested it the second time probably didn't and probably didn't know it had been played before anyway.

So what if it's played twice in a day? There's a limit on how often a song can be played I think and I believe that's sufficient.

Now if we can limit Godsake you great thingy!! to one a month...........I'm there!!!!!!!!

[mossy]

Spaz, I hear your frustration but I have to admit I agree with Keith. 24 or 48 hours to wait for a song...not good.

[Yesspaz]

No I'm not saying that you request a song and have to wait 48 hours. Rather, SAM won't let you request a song that has been recently played. Let me explain.

I'm saying that, for example, Yes can play at 12p, 2p, 4p, and 6p. Hypothetically, Roundabout could play all four times. Say someone requests it at 9a, someone else at 9:15a, and someone else at 10a. No other Yes requests are made that day. Roundabout would play at 12p, then 2p, and then 4p. Now of course the dj would stop this. But, theoretically, it could happen. For example, Mister Ten Percent played and then six hours later played again.

What I'm suggesting is that if KW requests Roundabout at 9a and I request Roundabout at 9:15, I'd get a message saying something like, "Request failed. Song already requested." Or, consider this. We've all probably requested a song and gotten this message: "Request failed. Artist recently played." What if Roundabout played, I logged on after it had cleared the Currently Playing window, I then request Roundabout, and enough time had passed so that I didn't get the recently played message? We're hearing Roundabout again pretty soon. What I'm saying is that instead I'd get a message: "Request failed. Song recently played."

The time limit between the same artist should be 2 hours, true. The time limit between the same song should be much longer. If Roundabout played, SAM should keep Roundabout from being requested, just not other Yes songs. Again, the two Triumvirat songs played "back-to-back" we're both Mister Ten Percent. It should have been Mister Ten Percent and some other Triumvirant song.

Making the world a richer place, two cents at a time...

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Again, the two Triumvirat songs played "back-to-back" we're both Mister Ten Percent. It should have been Mister Ten Percent and some other Triumvirant song.

Making the world a richer place, two cents at a time...

You've got a truly unique definition of 'back to back', 'spaz. The first instance played at 7:15 am EDT or so, the second at about 6:30 pm EDT or so. I think a 12 hour spread is sufficient.

Excuse me. 11:15. Or so.

Note: these times are estimates as I didn't look them up when I got home, since I pretty much went straight to bed.

I'll gladly take snippets from the log next time I'm at home, if they're still there.

Roger, Paying his two cent tax like a good 'Merkin.

[Rick and Roll]

Yesspaz you stir up the most unneccesary topics. But now that you did, I'm going to really unload!

I hardly get a chance to listen (not chat) to the Moon, and when I do, I will hope to hear a gem I haven't heard. Just because someone has a mister ten percent jones doesn't mean the requests need to be overhauled. To me it's abused as it is.

You see, the requests are a bit too much from my view. That's why you get too much of the same songs. I only request once if I'm on the Moon, works out to maybe one or two a week. I think you all ought to be limited to once per day. How disappointing it is to request a song and have three 20 minute songs and a ton of others in the queue, most of them by the same listeners. Now to work it in a more cryptic fashion would be maddening. Please, have some self-control. If not, let Big Brother limit us to once per day. Let's be inclusive to othr listeners!

Even with the programming it's geting a bit stale. Forgive me Tommy, but after a while I need a break from King Crimson/Floyd/Zappa and their progeny.

The reason I request the same bands is to get other people exposure to a band I think is needed. Once a week is enough. And if it I think I'm being overbearing, I'll lay off. For instance, I am of the opinion that "Unfolded Like Staircase" is one of the best records ever made. But if I subject you to it a lot, the natural reaction is to boomerang the opposite way.

I think you've done this with some things Spaz, for instance the Appleseed Cast, Letter E, American Football, and Don Caballero (notice I didn't say GYBE, cause they're not really played a lot, their songs are just long). And especially Journey.

I requested an Echolyn song that I've heard countless times. But I got an excellent feedback from it (no one had heard it), so the demand is there. But I'm careful to lay off if it too.

Man, I'd love to have the capability, time, and permission to do a monthly show. You'd never hear the same thing twice.

I have a lot of music that's on the playlist. I can hear it anytime. When a song comes on I don't want to hear, there's something else to do. More importantly, there's a ton of music here I don't have and I have not heard. That's what I like.

Making your world a place that you want, without monetary consideration!

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Roger Lee


You've got a truly unique definition of 'back to back', 'spaz.

That's why "back to back" is in quotes. The same artist's two closest spins. And I'm sure it was closer to 6 hours, maybe 8 at the max...

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
Yesspaz you stir up the most unneccesary topics. But now that you did, I'm going to really unload!

Really Rick, you gotta be kidding me. What's unneccesary about making a suggestion I think would make the station better? It's my opinion, sure, and we all have them and they all stink. But it's an open board, so if you deem unneccesary what I think is neccesary, fine.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
You see, the requests are a bit too much from my view.

Sounds very corporate radio to me. I think I remember Avian and Jim saying that the requests were the most popular feature of AM. There are a lot of stations out there that take no requests.....

Also, I don't understand why you're complaining. I'm suggestiong the same thing you are (albeit not as extreme) - putting some limitations on requests. That way, the same song won't play twice in a 24 hour or 48 hour period. Simple.

[Rick and Roll]

I'm not sure how to make multiple quote replies so I'll just reply to all.

I'm not suggesting the same thing you are. You're introducing all of this programming and it is very subjective. You're garbage is another's gold (and vice versa).

I've seen you request Neal Schon the next hour after Journey, etc. That's way more egregious than requesting the same song (even 6 hrs apart). Keith and Roger are right. Maybe the one person didn't hear the first song.

The main reason you make suggestions is to serve your purpose of hearing what you want, not "making the station better". You've hidden behind that armor too many times now. There's nothing wrong with making a suggestion. But you go way overboard on things like these and do not take into consideration others' feelings.

Don't accuse me of sounding "corporate radio". that's not accurate.

You know what? I think I need to stop here. This could go on forever and I have better things to do. Plus, I'm stepping over the line in making suggestions. This isn't my place to tell the station what to do.

[Avian(Admin)]

heh - we all need to chill out a bit on the subject.

While I don't think I'll change the request policy per se, I am open to asking our new php guru Unter1337 to see if we can space individual songs out to 24-36 hours or something like that. I don't see the harm there, as other popular stations do this. Mr. 10% is the #2 requested song on AM, only second to Supper's Ready.

What do you guys think about the 24-36 hour song moratorium related to requests?

By the way, maybe well change the band's title to "Godsake you great thingy..." hee hee

[mossy]

I think we manage very well with the system as it is now.

That said, as we have over 11,000 songs to choose from, if the song we request isn't available, we can move on to another.

At first I thought 24 hours was excessive, upon further thought it's not TOO bad. However, the poor sod coming in for the first time wanting the song might like to know he's not going to get it for another 24 hours.

If asked to vote on this with the choice of the two variables, I'd say 24 hours is somewhat ok, but 36 is excessive.

I would rather leave it all alone though...the request system works well in my opinion, and I tolerate the songs I don't like, knowing it's a democratic system.

Knowing the stats on just how often the same song is played in a 24 hour period would help. Off the top of my head and during my listening hours, it doesn't seem as if it's that big of an issue.

Originally posted by Avian
What do you guys think about the 24-36 hour song moratorium related to requests?

Avian,

I'm sorry but my vote would be to keep things as they are. I don't think a 24 or 36 hour song moratorium would be fair or necessary for the reasons I stated in my original reply to Spaz's initial post.

Keep things as they are and let's waste no more time with this (sorry Spaz) somewhat ridiculous thread.

[QuantumJo]

I have been listening to AM for less than a year. The majority of what I have herd is all new to me. I also do not start and end every day listening to AM. With that said, I have not found it to be annoying to hear the same song / artist more than once wile I am tuned in. If something is played that I would rather not hear I simply play something from my archive that suits the mood I am in at that point in time. It would bum me out if I requested a song that was played earlier in the day ( when I was not listening ) and it got rubbed out or it was played 24 - 36 hrs. later when I am not on line to hear it. Of Crosse I understand the need for the DJ to pull songs from the line up e.g. 90 min. of Mike Oldfeild in a 120 min. time spand. If it is not broke...don't fix it.

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by Yesspaz

That's why "back to back" is in quotes. The same artist's two closest spins. And I'm sure it was closer to 6 hours, maybe 8 at the max...

OK, let's try this again. From the top, slowly.

I know for a fact that the first playing hit at about about 6:45 am eastern time, give or take 15 minutes. I know this for a fact because I was the one who requested it. I requested it before I left for work (at about 5:35 am EDT) and I wanted to time it so it would play close to the front of my shift while still giving me time to set up my systems for my daily tasks. I succeeded beyond my wildest dreams.

The second instance played right as my shift was winding down. 6:30 pm, give or take 10 minutes. I was working a 12 hour shift on Saturday (I'd gladly provide computer logs and shift reports were I so inclined. But I'm not.) and thought "What a wonderful way of finishing off the shift! I started it with Mr 10%, and someone finished it off for me! How nice of them!". 12 hours from 6:00 am makes 6:00 pm. And I made a point of staying because I liked this song and didn't want to miss it the second time.

12 hours. 11.5 at minimum. Not 6. Not 8. And certainly not back to back.

Unfortunately, the history logs from the station cut off at just after 8pm CDT (that's 9 pm EDT), or I'd cut and paste them, thus leaving out any doubt.

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by Avian
While I don't think I'll change the request policy per se, I am open to asking our new php guru Unter1337 to see if we can space individual songs out to 24-36 hours or something like that.

Personally I think it would be a waste of the talents and time of a valuable asset.

I could go on. In fact, I've already cleared three different attempts. For some reason they all come off, even to me, as attacks against 'spaz, and I don't want that (because basically he's a good kid, albeit a bit confused :P )

And if I am thinking it's inflammatory, it must be bad.

By the way, maybe well change the band's title to "Godsake you great thingy..." hee hee

Or Gobsmack His! Saint Christopher Medal?

Roger, recovering flamer.

[Avian(Admin)]

Just to clarify my post - I'm talking about having some time between requesting the same song... not between individual requests.

12 hours is not too bad. But I have to admit, even I have been fustrated with things like Blue Shift - Rome being requested and played _several_ times a day. It only really stopped once I removed it from the request list. Other times, I had to keep an eagle eye on the queue to delete the request, so you never heard it. There are many other examples of this - we had incidents where Supper's Ready was played in the same way, as was Tarkus. We really had a problem when we had the Lamb sides up - they'd get played over and over again. We removed those too.

I see time between requests of the same song to be a good alternative to removing the song from everyone's list of choices, as we've been forced to do on occasion. The system currently in place prevents songs and aritsts from being played within a few hours of each other. It doesn't really address this problem we're having.

As to the time period, I'm open to suggestions. Just keep in mind the larger picture -- there are hundreds of people from all over the world listening to the same broadcast you are. What would serve everyone best? I'd err on the side of variety.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Avian
What do you guys think about the 24-36 hour song moratorium related to requests?

I vote Yes.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
The main reason you make suggestions is to serve your purpose of hearing what you want, not "making the station better". You've hidden behind that armor too many times now.

Wow. Whatever.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I'm not sure how to make multiple quote replies so I'll just reply to all.

Do the first quote. Then copy and paste the quoted quote. Then scroll down and copy the second text you wanna qoute. Scroll back up and replace the pasted quote. But make sure leave all the [ and ] stuff intact.



Now, my great-grandmother had a saying: If you stir the pot, the s&%$ gonna stink. So this will be my last post in this thread. Ok, maybe it was three hours, but I sure seemed closer to 6-8 to me, and I was at my computer most of the day as well. (maybe it played three times? - I doubt it) Regardless of 6 hours or 12 hours, let me clarify something that was misunderstood.

Originally posted by Quantum Jo
It would bum me out if I requested a song that was played earlier in the day ( when I was not listening ) and it got rubbed out or it was played 24 - 36 hrs. later when I am not on line to hear it.

and

Originally posted by Mossy
At first I thought 24 hours was excessive, upon further thought it's not TOO bad. However, the poor sod coming in for the first time wanting the song might like to know he's not going to get it for another 24 hours.

As I stated before, if Roundabout played at noon and someone requested it at 4p, they would not get this message: "Artist/Song will play shortly according to the request policy this station follows," or however it's actaually worded, and then be force to wait 20 hours for it to play. Instead, they would get this message:

Originally posted by Yesspaz
What I'm saying is that instead I'd get a message: "Request failed. Song recently played."

or even, "Song played within last 24 hours. Please feel free to request another." Notice, this would still allow them to request another song. It's that old radio standby "no-repeat workday." And yes, upon reflection, I too agree that 36 or 48 hours is too long. But as Mossy said above, we have over 11,000 tracks in the library. I don't think it's "ridiculous" or "overboard" to think a no-repeat 24-hour programming is a swell idea.



I resign from this thread and bid you adieau. See you in black and white rooms.

[Rick and Roll]

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Originally posted by Rick and Roll
The main reason you make suggestions is to serve your purpose of hearing what you want, not "making the station better". You've hidden behind that armor too many times now.

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Yesspaz said...

Wow. Whatever.

Rick says:

I apologize to you Spaz, and everyone else that may have offended. I was out of line there, and just upset I guess.

Yesspaz:

"Song played within last 24 hours. Please feel free to request another." Notice, this would still allow them to request another song.

Rick:

Now that's not a bad idea. I wish we would have started there!

Hey Spaz.............please don't think it's a personal attack on you my friend. I would NEVER do that. Like any family we have our disagreements and sometimes we voice them in a not too tactful way.

I'm sorry if I rankle you sometimes (I know I do) It's just my sometimes warped sense of humour coming out before I put the brain in gear. No offence meant Spaz I promise.

[progdirjim(Admin)]

I'm with you Spaz. I think not allowing the same song to repeat within a 12 or even 24 hour span is a good thing. Particularly since the songs that do repeat are typically classics you ought to have in your collection anyway, so if you REALLY need to hear Supper's Ready for the 17,623rd time, play your copy of it.

If you're requesting stuff you're not really familiar with, you probably wouldn't even notice the change...

[Rick and Roll]

Also look at it this way. On average there is 3 hours of programming a day, plus maybe an hour of announcements. That leaves 20 hours. Divide that by 100 listeners and each gets 12 minutes. 150 listeners is 8 minutes.

That sounds fair. And that's not including when the station is down, etc.