And The Flower King's flavour of the month is...

[zvinki]

Driver's Seat!! What gives?!? This smells of payola! Who's trying to manipulate us?

[Yesspaz]

Preach on zvinki! If it's an epic by The Flower Kings or Transatlantic, there's some super-fan out there killing the rest of us with endless over-requesting.

[progdirjim(Admin)]

there's no payola, just unimaginative requesters. we can easily fix it by eliminating requests - your call...



JK

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by progdirjim
there's no payola, just unimaginative requesters. we can easily fix it by eliminating requests - your call...



JK

Ooh! There's a GOOD idea. I'd like to suggest by eliminating ALL of FK for a week!

(Notice no mention of GY!BE? Aren't you proud of me?)

On a more serious note, when we had a day where RQs were down, we had a REAL nice mix along with some VERY good feedback on the playlist that day. It had been suggested that we have a monthly RQ free day. I think that's something we might want to seriously consider.

Roger -Dot- Lee, who didn't like the idea initially, but it's sort of grown on him (not much unlike a fungus).

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Roger Lee
. It had been suggested that we have a monthly RQ free day.

Monthly my eye. How about every Thursday?

I still think the optimum solution would be that a song could not play twice in a 48 hour period.




Sticking to his guns, Yesspaz.

[moses]

I'm all for a "No Requests" day. Weekly would work for me, but bi-weekly or monthly could work too.

I give the idea a "thumbs up!"

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by moses
I'm all for a "No Requests" day. Weekly would work for me, but bi-weekly or monthly could work too.

I give the idea a "thumbs up!"

Hrm. Looks like it's perhaps time for a poll.

And I'm thinking it's a VERY good idea. The more I think about it, the more I like it.

Roger -Dot- Lee, working out the logistics even now.

[podakayne]

you got my vote...1 day a week and not sure how to limit the daily request maybe 48 hours would "make 'im stop"

there ya have it!

[RogorMortis]

May I suggest a sort of comprimise.

New additions run as now - no restrictions. After the first 7 or 14 days the 48 hours rule is introduced.

[teermin8r]

I like the idea of requesting. Especially when you get someone new in the chatroom and want them to hear new stuff. New to them, maybe not everyone else. But I wouldn't mind if requests were limited to 2-3 a day, per person.

If it can be done.

New adds to the playlist - No restriction to the number of plays.

After 14 days - No repeats in 36 hours (I think that's a better time differential. If someone is RQing the same song it would mean that the next time it becomes available to RQ would be in the middle of the night for them but it would mean that peeps in, say Europe, who want to RQ that track could do so at a sensible time.)

Limit the number of RQs per person in any 12 hour period to 4.

[Yesspaz]

Methinks this is all getting slightly grandiose. Roger.Lee doesn't do the computer stuff for a living, so IF any changes are made, I vote for simplicity: One set day a week request free.

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by Keith Waye
If it can be done.

BIIIIIIIIG if. VERY big if. Dandy ideas, though.

New adds to the playlist - No restriction to the number of plays.

After 14 days - No repeats in 36 hours (I think that's a better time differential. If someone is RQing the same song it would mean that the next time it becomes available to RQ would be in the middle of the night for them but it would mean that peeps in, say Europe, who want to RQ that track could do so at a sensible time.)

Wonderful ideas. I've heard several people mention allowing a 14 day grace period for new songs. I like the concept (the numbers are debatable, but close to my idea of how life, the world, and everything should be ordered).

Of course I've no idea whatsoever on HOW or, for that matter IF POSSIBLE on implement these nifty ideas. I could investigate, but I doubt I'd have any luck finding such functionality.

If only...

Limit the number of RQs per person in any 12 hour period to 4.

They're already limited to 10 per 24 hour period. I don't think SAM allows tighter granularity than this, or I'd say it's a WONDERFUL idea. Having been subject to Tubular Bells, Aramok, AND one of his rare 4 minute pieces in one day, likely from the same source.....

Roger -Dot- Lee, who HATES to rain on good ideas, but has to look at the practical side of things on occasion...

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
Methinks this is all getting slightly grandiose. Roger.Lee doesn't do the computer stuff for a living, so IF any changes are made, I vote for simplicity: One set day a week request free.

Now there's an idea I can get behind. As with Keithie, the frequency is debatable, I'm very much behind the idea of having one day per week/month/fortnight/moon cycle where RQs are disabled entirely. It shouldn't be that hard to do.

Roger -Dot- Lee

[RogorMortis]

We all just like politicans who negoiate to an acceptable solution only to find afterwards that it could cost a fortune to implement it

So the only way forward then is to suspend music from AM

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by RogorMortis
We all just like politicans who negoiate to an acceptable solution only to find afterwards that it could cost a fortune to implement it

I never once said it would cost a fortune. I never once said it would cost a dime.

I only said that I didn't know how to accomplish it.

So the only way forward then is to suspend music from AM

Perhaps, for VERY ... interesting ... values of "Forward".

Roger -Dot- Lee

[Rick and Roll]

I would have a stronger opinion. But.................

A compromise could be to try a request-free day. See what the feedback is then.

Not sure what RQ-free means, though. Who picks the music? The computer? That would be a bit weird, but OK I guess.

If Avian or Jim picked the music it would just be as if they would have a show. That's not a bad idea though.

I probably request a song a week. Personally, I wouldn't mind running a two hour block once a month and not requesting any other time.

Otherwise it's all a bit complicated for me.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
Not sure what RQ-free means, though. Who picks the music? The computer? That would be a bit weird, but OK I guess.

A pretty good portion of the music is DJed by the computer already. The one-hour delay on requests means that SAM pulls a random song from the library if the next request hasn't hit an hour wait yet.
For instance, Let's pretend

• Poda requested Song A at 12:00 and it's 5+ minutes long
• KeithieW requested Song B at 12:30 and it's 5+ minutes long
• Mossy requested Song C at 1:00 and it's 5+ minutes long

Song A would move from the requested list to the queue at 1:00. At that time, let's assume Roundabout (8+ minutes) started playing at exactly 1:00, Watcher of the Skies (7+) is up next, and then Comfortably Numb (6+), and then Poda's Song A (5:00). Poda's song would finish playing at roughly 1:27. Well, KW's Song B won't move from the request list to the queue until 1:20, so there's three minutes to cover. SAM will pull a random track from the library. It could be any length. If it's less than 3, then SAM will have to pull a second track, because the request hasn't come in yet. Let's assume that SAM randomly pulls up Xanadu (11+). It begins playing at 1:27, Song B moves into the queue at 1:30, and plays after Xanadu ends, which will be 1:38. Song B is 5+ minutes, so it ends at 1:43. Uh-oh! It's still 17 mintues before the next request, Mossy's Song C, can move into the queue, so SAM will auto-dj for at least 17 minutes. It could be one 17 minute song, or a bunch of short songs, or whatever. But if the last song it picks before Song C comes in at 2:00 happens to be, oh, say The Great Nothing, well, Song C will play at approxiamately 2:30.

That's the basic way it works, but that's a simplified version because that's putting the request one song back. In reality, SAM keeps two songs ready minimum at all times, so that you have two "Coming Up" entries in the Now Playing Window.




IN OTHER WORDS, when your request moves from the one-hour wait list to the queue, it moves to the bottom of the queue, which at best is the third song down. If there happen to be no requests in the QUEUE (there may be requests, just not yet in the queue), then SAM will always auto-dj three songs deep.




So, actually, a good bit (I'd guess 25%) of the music heard each day is SAM auto-djing.





That confusing enough for ya'll?

[Rick and Roll]

I do not do not anyway.

I do not like these songs and spam

I do not like the SAM songs I am.

Actually I do, it's just an excuse for a little Dr. Seuss.

Wouldn't it be funny if the SAM picked I Am The Sun?

[progdirjim(Admin)]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I do not do not anyway.

I do not like these songs and spam

I do not like the SAM songs I am.

Actually I do, it's just an excuse for a little Dr. Seuss.

Wouldn't it be funny if the SAM picked I Am The Sun?

It could, but the odds are 12,395 to 1 against....

and Spaz, the 25% figure is low, because once requests get piled up enough, there are always two requests in the queue, and then more requests get added as the time requirement is satisfied. I can explain it in Spaz-like detail if anyone disbelieves and cares, but trust me, most days, requests are well over 80% of what you hear. Midday US time (say 10am to 7pm eastern), requests are almost always 100% of what you hear unless someone DJs...