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[Rick and Roll]

said very nicely. A nicely-crafted argument. The written word is sometimes difficult to convey the point of a discussion - my humble stance (and timid glance) is that there is no need to make the 70's Kings of Rock & Roll progressive in their entirety.

Roger, nice point about the enticement angle. King Crimson was my crossover band.

Ivan, please don't blame EW&F for the Abacab record. It's no secret Phil Collins loves Motown, and that was his push during that period. Especially his solo stuff, very-Motown influenced. So, it goes back even farther than EW&F. I think Rutherford & Banks share in the blame, too. They got lazy. Of course it's not even on the radar screen with the earlier Genesis (yes, even ATTWT & Duke, those records are solid), but still a worthwhile effort.

Include in the prog "Fading Lights" off WCD, too.