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Old 11-29-2006, 04:20 AM
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Idiot Guest Shouters

This morning at about 10:00am GMT a Guest_9315 shouted some insults at one of the other members (eloy1964) and I had to step in and ask them to go away. At the time of writing he/she/it hasn't come back.

My point is that I feel it would be better if the Shoutbox function were taken away from people who hadn't logged in fully. I seem to remember that the old site shoutbox wasn't available if you weren't logged in. Maybe this should be reinstated.

I'd be interested to know what others feel about this.

Here's what happened (obviously the earliest shouts are at the bottom of the page ):

# KeithieW : Had you heard of him before? That's one reason that the Request Free day is so good. It encourages people to listen to new artists and moves us away from RQing things like "Supper's Ready" time and time again.

# eloy1964 : Thankx Keithie. David conley is the first artist to sound so like Geddy Lee. Amaizing.

# KeithieW : Ignore that idiot eloy. He/she/it will be barred from the site shortly. I'm sorry you had to experience this idiot.

# eloy1964 : I don't think God will want to eat this noob anyway!!

# KeithieW : Guest 9315. Please go away. We have a method of tracking who you are and barring you from the site.

# [GUEST]guest_9315 : Altough you listen to good music, Eloy, you are a noob, God hates noobs and eats them for breakfast. And you know what time it is in heaven? Breakfast time! RUUUUUUUUUN ELOY RUUUN

# KeithieW : No your computer is fine.

# eloy1964 : Ah thankx. I thought the problem might be my computer!

# KeithieW : Hi eloy...Wednesdays are Request Free days. It helps introduce people to new music. SAM picks tracks from the library at Random. Requests will be back on tomorrow.

# eloy1964 : Does anyone know why the requests are switched off?
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:22 AM
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Re: Idiot Guest Shouters

I do think that the shoutbox now must be for members only as it has become the main chat and communication center at AM. We have recently now had two cases of abuse and it's bound to happen again and we can't have a policeman present at all time. We have reached a point where as a decision has to be made. We also need to point out a code of conduct, as there has been problems with members syaing things that wern't appropiate and there's proof that at least one member has been chased off and has never come back.
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:26 AM
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I do think that the shoutbox now must be for members only as it has become the main chat and communication center at AM. We have recently now had two cases of abuse and it's bound to happen again and we can't have a policeman present at all time. We have reached a point where as a decision has to be made. We also need to point out a code of conduct, as there has been problems with members syaing things that wern't appropiate and there's proof that at least one member has been chased off and has never come back.
There have been MORE than two. I was quite annoyed when a guest posted the URLs to the 128K streams. OK, they're not really top secret and certainly not difficult to deduce or find, but it was wrong to post them IMO.
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Old 11-29-2006, 08:10 AM
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Re: Idiot Guest Shouters

I have not been receiving notifications of new shouts in my mailbox, and when I log in, I did not see this thread.

That being said, I have seen many examples of this also. But I have also seen examples of this from Rick Wakeman.

What I asked for this morning were questions related to why and how. I did not know this was a unilateral decision, with no discussion. That's how it was presented to me.

This is a problem that needs to be addressed.

If you would like my opinions about this, that's fine, we can discuss it here.

If not, all I ask is that I be informed of the policy as it changes. I've not been included in being informed of recent changes.
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I have not been receiving notifications of new shouts in my mailbox, and when I log in, I did not see this thread.
I don't believe that NEW threads ever sent out global notification. You need to post an initial message to a thread and then the software considers you subscribed to the thread. You then receive notification of future posting to that thread.

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That being said, I have seen many examples of this also. But I have also seen examples of this from Rick Wakeman.

What I asked for this morning were questions related to why and how. I did not know this was a unilateral decision, with no discussion. That's how it was presented to me.
Unilateral?

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This is a problem that needs to be addressed.

If you would like my opinions about this, that's fine, we can discuss it here.

If not, all I ask is that I be informed of the policy as it changes. I've not been included in being informed of recent changes.
What do you feel you should have been notified about that you were not?

Personally, I think I should move this thread to where the general AM audience can read and respond to it. This problem affect more than just patrons.
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Old 11-29-2006, 09:37 AM
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I don't believe that NEW threads ever sent out global notification. You need to post an initial message to a thread and then the software considers you subscribed to the thread. You then receive notification of future posting to that thread.


Unilateral?


What do you feel you should have been notified about that you were not?

Personally, I think I should move this thread to where the general AM audience can read and respond to it. This problem affect more than just patrons.
You are right, I should have said that I didn't see this when I searched under new posts (and I was logged in).

Also, I agree about the moving of the thread.

You've blocked my emails and I have a bad address for dot lee. Davin and Jim are the only contacts I have, so server issues and password changes were not relayed to me. I get them eventually.

In our black box discussion, you said "You'll have to start logging in". Not, can you log in or why do you not log in (which Davin asked me once a long time ago). That sounds like a decision was made. The thread here has only been active for a few hours, and I didn't see it. When I questioned why and tried to have a discussion, you didn't seem to want to discuss it.

Mossy does not sign in because she needs to leave on a dime. I have the same issue.

Also, if others see her name as logged in, they will pester her with shouts. Is there a way to require log in but not show the name as logged in? I would log in if that was the case.

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Old 11-29-2006, 04:04 PM
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My point is that I feel it would be better if the Shoutbox function were taken away from people who hadn't logged in fully. I seem to remember that the old site shoutbox wasn't available if you weren't logged in. Maybe this should be reinstated.
KW, I agree 100%!!!
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Old 11-29-2006, 04:51 PM
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Re: Idiot Guest Shouters

I agree, shoutboxing should only be enabled for logged-in people.

I usually support internet anonymity, but causing trouble using it = No.
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Old 11-29-2006, 11:49 PM
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Re: Idiot Guest Shouters

Rick, I had to think about it for a minute and my issue (and yours formerly I think ) is that it takes time to log in. I know...pathetic. So, typically I hear the bosses keys jingling and then he's upon me, mid log-in, no time to "X" out. You tried to teach me alt tab and I couldn't get the hang. So I'm madly trying to log in/out, hit the dam "x", and finally just hold a paper up to the screen to block it, and pretend to be reading same

So, guest log ins work for me because of speed involved, but this is just my own little personal situation, and I understand the issue that KW is putting forward regarding requiring log ins for black.

The other thing is I don't think my presence in black attracts any more interest than anyone else being there....at least that's been my experience. More me hoping someone will say something in the piffling two mins or something that I have in black. Again..pathetic time management skills I'm afraid.

The other downside with logging in as me and not as guest, and this is a universal thing for everybody, is that my name remains on the list for AGES after I've logged out. This makes me feel badly because it looks as if you're there but you're ignoring. If the logged in name could disappear when the person logs out or "x's" out, I think this would be an improvement. Not a techie though, so don't know if this is feasible.

But these are little things in the larger scheme of things, really. We used to have guests in white and it was sometimes fun, sometimes annoying (especially to lotus. Actually lotus being annoyed was fun too). This has now transferred to black. I think because the Moon has grown so much since the inception of the new site, it would be nice to know who you're chatting to in black. More of a community feeling. Too many anonymous guests sort of reeks of the anonymity of the internet and precludes accountability.

So, for that reason, I am in favour of logging in to black. I will have to deal with my own crap at work. But thank you Rick for thinking of me. And glad you no longer have to deal with it.
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Old 11-29-2006, 05:39 PM
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Re: Idiot Guest Shouters

I don't shout much, but I think that shouters should be registered users and logged in. you can't write in the forums unless you are registered and logged in, no? why should the shoutbox be any different?
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Old 11-29-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: Idiot Guest Shouters

If random people are coming in and insulting members then I agree that the shoutbox should require login. That is rediculous. If someone wants to say something they should be brave enough to use a nick. That way, we can all point fingers at them and make them feel shame for the idiocy they commited.
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Old 11-30-2006, 06:08 AM
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mossy, why do you need to log out before you hit the X?
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Old 11-30-2006, 06:47 AM
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mossy, why do you need to log out before you hit the X?
I think she was just saying that was one choice. If she's not logged in, all she has to do is hit the x. If you're not logged in you don't need to log out. but you knew that.

Thank you for posting Mossy. For some reason there was a perception that I did not support logging in. I do. However, think about this everyone:

If you need to log in to shout, when you shout we all know who it is - your name is on the shout, shout let it on out (oops I just foreshadowed my next show...tonight there will be details).

I see no need to put on the main page who is logged in. It's really not a necessity. Why not just say how many are logged in? Mossy is exactly right when a) if you're not there and logged in it looks like you're ignoring people, and 2) the name stays on. I've logged out and seen my name on there later also.

So can we just require log-ins and not have the names up and just do it?
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Old 11-30-2006, 09:34 AM
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Hi roger, actually it's not the logging out, it's the logging in LOL!!

Rick, I think you like to do it properly and log out completely. I just use the "x" and close the browser.

I like Rick's idea of not having the list of people who are online, because often I don't have time to chat, I only have time to look and see what everyone else is chatting about. Being on the list but not saying anything feels rude and I'd rather not be on it when I only have time to lurk.

If I remember correctly, we never used to list who was in black, we only listed who was in white and the forums.

This is all getting a bit detailed for the capacity of my brain, but this is what I support for what it's worth:

Logging in to use everything on the site including black

Doing away with the list of who's online

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Old 11-30-2006, 11:04 AM
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Log-in required: Yes.
Removing list: Yes. (I tend to lurk a lot and I apologize for my rudeness.)
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Old 11-30-2006, 01:20 PM
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mines a pint of bitter!
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Old 11-30-2006, 04:26 PM
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Hi roger, actually it's not the logging out, it's the logging in LOL!!

Rick, I think you like to do it properly and log out completely. I just use the "x" and close the browser.

I like Rick's idea of not having the list of people who are online, because often I don't have time to chat, I only have time to look and see what everyone else is chatting about. Being on the list but not saying anything feels rude and I'd rather not be on it when I only have time to lurk.
Then don't log in.
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Old 11-30-2006, 04:34 PM
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Re: Idiot Guest Shouters

You're automatically logged in, and show in the list of who's online if you're responding to something in the forums.

Woj's idea of having a hide option is good, imho.
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I also think logging in for Shoutbox is a great idea.
Some guests can get rather rude and evil. At least we would know who is saying what!
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