Go Back   Aural Moon - Progressive Rock Discussion > Prog Rock Discussion > General Discussion/Prog News
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-22-2006, 01:08 PM
Yesspaz's Avatar
Yesspaz Yesspaz is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brandon, MS
Posts: 3,134
Unhappy Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

I just realized something about my favorite band that makes me a little scared and sad. Did you folks realize that we are currently in the longest gap ever between Yes studio albums? The longest previous gaps were four years, between 1980's Drama and 1983's 90125 and 1987's Big Generator. There was also a four year gap between Big Generator and 1991's Union, but ABWH came out in 1989 and I count that.

But Magnification came out in 2001 and it's 2006 with no signs of Yes going to the studio anytime soon. Could it be... over?



1969 Yes
1970 Time and a Word
1971 The Yes Album
1972 Fragile
1972 Close to the Edge
1974 Tales from Topographic Oceans
1974 Relayer
1977 Going for the One
1978 Tormato1980 Drama
1983 90125
1987 Big Generator
1989 ABWH
1991 Union
1994 Talk
1996 Keys to Ascension
1997 Keys to Ascension, Vol. 2
1997 Open Your Eyes
1999 The Ladder
2001 Magnification
__________________
Feels like I'm fiddling while Rome is burning down.
Think I'll lay my fiddle down, take a rifle from the ground!

Last edited by Yesspaz : 02-22-2006 at 01:12 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-22-2006, 01:10 PM
yorksrvc's Avatar
yorksrvc yorksrvc is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 129
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Yes?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-22-2006, 01:33 PM
Rick and Roll's Avatar
Rick and Roll Rick and Roll is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Baltimore suburbs
Posts: 5,039
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesspaz
I just realized something about my favorite band that makes me a little scared and sad. Did you folks realize that we are currently in the longest gap ever between Yes studio albums? The longest previous gaps were four years, between 1980's Drama and 1983's 90125 and 1987's Big Generator. There was also a four year gap between Big Generator and 1991's Union, but ABWH came out in 1989 and I count that.

But Magnification came out in 2001 and it's 2006 with no signs of Yes going to the studio anytime soon. Could it be... over?



1969 Yes
1970 Time and a Word
1971 The Yes Album
1972 Fragile
1972 Close to the Edge
1974 Tales from Topographic Oceans
1974 Relayer
1977 Going for the One
1978 Tormato1980 Drama
1983 90125
1987 Big Generator
1989 ABWH
1991 Union
1994 Talk
1996 Keys to Ascension
1997 Keys to Ascension, Vol. 2
1997 Open Your Eyes
1999 The Ladder
2001 Magnification
Some may say that there's a gap in the 80's lol...

ANYWAY...

They are 60 or damn near it!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-22-2006, 02:48 PM
podakayne's Avatar
podakayne podakayne is offline
Patron
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: washington, the state
Posts: 1,430
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
as uttered by the youthful rickandroll
ANYWAY...
They are 60 or damn near it!
you say that like it's a bad thing ...anywho you figure they got another cd or two of really great music left in them Yesspaz?...me 2 i'm hoping...may they go out on the up stroke!

poda

p.s. good to read you too Yspaz
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-22-2006, 04:02 PM
KeithieW's Avatar
KeithieW KeithieW is offline
The London Headbanger
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: London, England
Posts: 2,972
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick and Roll
They are 60 or damn near it!
So?

I don't see that that's something that will stop them recording. I have faith that Yes will record again but if they don't then just taking a look at, and listening to, the output from these guys makes me so happy to have been around while they were doing this work.
__________________
KeithieW
*************************
Nous sommes du soleil
We are of the sun. We can see!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-22-2006, 06:21 PM
Rick and Roll's Avatar
Rick and Roll Rick and Roll is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Baltimore suburbs
Posts: 5,039
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by podakayne
you say that like it's a bad thing ...anywho you figure they got another cd or two of really great music left in them Yesspaz?...me 2 i'm hoping...may they go out on the up stroke!

poda

p.s. good to read you too Yspaz
Nah, I meant as "lets cut them some slack"
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-23-2006, 01:03 PM
Yesspaz's Avatar
Yesspaz Yesspaz is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brandon, MS
Posts: 3,134
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Yeah Poda, I think they got one or two more in them. The problem is Jon Anderson. He's mad about lack of sales, but Yes still outsells all the "big prog bands" like Tangent and stuff. The issue isn't really about sales; JA is just not in love with making music anymore. Steve and Chris and Alan would go into the studio tomorrow. Not sure about Rick, but the keyboard spot in Yes is almost like a for-hire position anyway. If Steve, Chris, Alan, and Jon went into the studio with some other keyboardist we'd never heard of, we'd be upset in a sentimental way but not be afraid to hear the music. But if it were Steve or Chris being replaced, we'd all be worried. Regardless, Jon is boycotting making more albums, so he's unofficially killed Yes.

I think the other four should hit the studio without him, making an instrumental album. See, Jon's done this before in 1983 and and 1991. If there's a Yes album being made that he's not a part of, eventually he'll hear the music, realize how good it is, and suddenly want to sing on it. The trick to getting Jon back in the studio is go into the studio without him. He'll feel left out and he'll come in. He can't do a dang thang about it anyway, because Chris owns the name.
__________________
Feels like I'm fiddling while Rome is burning down.
Think I'll lay my fiddle down, take a rifle from the ground!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-23-2006, 02:07 PM
Rick and Roll's Avatar
Rick and Roll Rick and Roll is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Baltimore suburbs
Posts: 5,039
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

I think y'all getting a bit too sentimental about this.

I'm a Squire man..but Yes put out Union without much of him. They had Tony Levin (who hasn't)?

Squire's used Sherwood, etc etc. I agree, it would be neat to see the others go in studio, but I'm not impressed with Squire in the 90's forward anyway.

If it happens great. If not, I'm not pining over it. Same with my reaction to Floyd. If they're not into it, why force it?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-23-2006, 03:01 PM
Yesspaz's Avatar
Yesspaz Yesspaz is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brandon, MS
Posts: 3,134
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Yeah, but nobody expects Floyd to record. But Yes?!! They've never really stopped. See, if Floyd or Genesis did a new album, there'd be a hoopla about "getting back together." But if Yes does a new one there won't be press about "getting back together."

Tangentially, assuming if Yes does a new album - and it won't be Howe, Squire, Anderson, White, and Wakeman - I'd like to see one album of Howe, Squire, Anderson, White, and Moraz (the Relayer group), one album of Howe, Squire, Anderson, White, and Downes (Drama with Jon), and one album of Squire, Anderson, White, Wakeman, and Rabin (Rick and Trevor always wanted to do a Yes album together).

Ah, dreams...
__________________
Feels like I'm fiddling while Rome is burning down.
Think I'll lay my fiddle down, take a rifle from the ground!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-23-2006, 03:47 PM
Rick and Roll's Avatar
Rick and Roll Rick and Roll is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Baltimore suburbs
Posts: 5,039
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesspaz
Yeah, but nobody expects Floyd to record. But Yes?!! They've never really stopped. See, if Floyd or Genesis did a new album, there'd be a hoopla about "getting back together." But if Yes does a new one there won't be press about "getting back together."

Tangentially, assuming if Yes does a new album - and it won't be Howe, Squire, Anderson, White, and Wakeman - I'd like to see one album of Howe, Squire, Anderson, White, and Moraz (the Relayer group), one album of Howe, Squire, Anderson, White, and Downes (Drama with Jon), and one album of Squire, Anderson, White, Wakeman, and Rabin (Rick and Trevor always wanted to do a Yes album together).

Ah, dreams...
Agreed....

I like Moraz with Bruford, as he was on a few projects. I saw one such incarnation in 1983. Those two were also on Squire's solo record. Put them in with Jon and Steve....
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-23-2006, 10:36 PM
podakayne's Avatar
podakayne podakayne is offline
Patron
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: washington, the state
Posts: 1,430
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

....what y'all said.

poda

great line-ups Yspaz!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-24-2006, 03:05 PM
kirk's Avatar
kirk kirk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: NW Canadian border, Blaine Wa.
Posts: 468
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

there's a little more to it than Jon being upset over the lack of sales.
Magnification was jon's baby all the way, and it's rumored to have
moved only a little over 20,000 units...!
translation- even many of the diehard fans didn't buy it.
this is also the 1st Yes cd (since the yes album) that steve
appears on w/o a roger dean cover.
"the ladder" by comparison, is said to have sold over 100,000
units, likely due to the "homeworld" game tie-in.

the members of Yes can't survive , maintain the lifestyle they're
used to at this level. they're doubtless living off royalties from
previous albums, a factor that'll suffer from a few more clunkers.
they're very much in the corner at this point, under pressure to
produce some classic material.
a recording contract is going to be difficult to obtain from anyone large
enough to do a decent promo job, or mount a world tour,
especially w/ nothing new and amazing to "shop".

kirk
__________________
Zenpool
at SongPlanet

www.cdbaby.com/zenpool
available at itunes, toweronline, bestbuyonline,
sony direct, rhapsody, loudeye...
IOMA award winner "best producer"2004
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-12-2006, 08:48 PM
PFD's Avatar
PFD PFD is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 137
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Somebody tells me that Howe is working with Wetton again on a new Asia project. If that's the case, we can forget about new Yes stuff for a couple years or so...
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 03-12-2006, 08:58 PM
Rick and Roll's Avatar
Rick and Roll Rick and Roll is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Baltimore suburbs
Posts: 5,039
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by PFD
Somebody tells me that Howe is working with Wetton again on a new Asia project. If that's the case, we can forget about new Yes stuff for a couple years or so...
Wetton must have compromising pictures of Howe.....
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 03-12-2006, 09:05 PM
kirk's Avatar
kirk kirk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: NW Canadian border, Blaine Wa.
Posts: 468
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

actually....from stevehowe.com-

February 1, 2006 - In conjunction with Asia's 25th anniversary the four original members--Steve Howe, Geoff Downes, Carl Palmer, and John Wetton--plan on celebrating the 25th anniversary of the creation of Asia with a CD, DVD, and world tour.

The original members wish to convey their heartfelt thanks for the global support, love and enthusiasm that has made this possible. Stay tuned for updates.

sooo..no new Yes for awhile..at least not w/ steve.

kirk
__________________
Zenpool
at SongPlanet

www.cdbaby.com/zenpool
available at itunes, toweronline, bestbuyonline,
sony direct, rhapsody, loudeye...
IOMA award winner "best producer"2004
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 03-14-2006, 03:39 PM
Yesspaz's Avatar
Yesspaz Yesspaz is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brandon, MS
Posts: 3,134
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by kirk
February 1, 2006 - In conjunction with Asia's 25th anniversary the four original members--Steve Howe, Geoff Downes, Carl Palmer, and John Wetton--plan on celebrating the 25th anniversary of the creation of Asia with a CD, DVD, and world tour.
The only Asia album I own is the first one, and it's the only one worth owning, in my opinion. If these four cats do a new album together, I'd be on it like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm.


Quote:
Originally Posted by kirk
there's a little more to it than Jon being upset over the lack of sales.
Magnification was jon's baby all the way, and it's rumored to have
moved only a little over 20,000 units...!
translation- even many of the diehard fans didn't buy it.
"the ladder" by comparison, is said to have sold over 100,000
units, likely due to the "homeworld" game tie-in.
I have a different theory as to why The Ladder sold 100,000+ and Magnification sold only 20,000+. (First, I don't think it had much to do with "Homeworld." How much did that game sell? Anyone know?)

After the Ladder, they mounted a serious tour and played a lot of material on the new album. When you're not a radio band, you have to play new stuff live to get it exposed. Most people don't trust a new album by a classic band - there's always a disposition to say, "It can't be very good; they'll have to prove it to me before I spend my hard-earned." But after Magnification, the tour featured only three songs from it (Mag, Presence, Don't Go), two of which are the two weakest on the album (Mag and Don't Go). What did they do instead? They added orchestration to old songs. What they should have done is play the entire album start to finish, take an intermission, and then play a hour set of classics with or without the orchestra. Now THAT would have helped the album sell. See, when a band cuts a studio disc and then doesn't play it live, the message sent to the fans is, "we don't really believe in this music." If the band doesn't think it's a good album, why should I buy it?

PS: another possibility for the Ladder's success is Bruce Fairburn. He pushed those boys the way a producer should and produced the last great Yes album, barring future greatness.

As a side note, and probably having nothing to do with sales, you pointed out that Magnification was Jon's baby. In many ways, so was The Ladder. It was very verbose - lots of lyrics and little of the classic expansive instrumental sections included in all Yes classics, even as late as "The Calling," "Endless Dream" "Mind Drive," and "That, That Is." The only one on The Ladder is about a three and a half minute romp on "New Languages."


Quote:
Originally Posted by kirk
a recording contract is going to be difficult to obtain from anyone large
enough to do a decent promo job, or mount a world tour,
especially w/ nothing new and amazing to "shop".
You're right there, my friend. Yes is officially a DIY band at this point. They're an indie band. No labels. That's what they were when the did "Talk" and that's what they are now. It will be difficult for them to get anything other than a distribution deal. Luckily they are pretty good engineers, so whatever they record will sound good sonically. They have connections to two great producers, Trevor Horn and Billy Sherwood, so they could easily make a great album. Then they'd have to get a distribution deal and a promotional deal. There's always the outside possibility Ahmet will do them a solid favor for old time's sake (an Atlantic Yes album would be strong, if not earth-shattering). Most likely, it'll be some smaller label who'd jump at the chance to push Yes, the way Victory! did with "Talk." So Yes will have to produce an album on their own and then distribute it, just like indie bands.
__________________
Feels like I'm fiddling while Rome is burning down.
Think I'll lay my fiddle down, take a rifle from the ground!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 03-15-2006, 01:04 PM
Bob Lentil's Avatar
Bob Lentil Bob Lentil is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 238
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesspaz
First, I don't think it had much to do with "Homeworld." How much did that game sell? Anyone know?
It sold 500,000 copies as of September 2000.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 03-21-2006, 01:19 PM
Yesspaz's Avatar
Yesspaz Yesspaz is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Brandon, MS
Posts: 3,134
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Lentil
It sold 500,000 copies as of September 2000.
Whoa. Maybe it did help the sales after all.
__________________
Feels like I'm fiddling while Rome is burning down.
Think I'll lay my fiddle down, take a rifle from the ground!
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 03-21-2006, 01:27 PM
kirk's Avatar
kirk kirk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: NW Canadian border, Blaine Wa.
Posts: 468
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

hmmm.. maybe they misunderstood the importance of a high
profile keyboardist on Magnification...

k
__________________
Zenpool
at SongPlanet

www.cdbaby.com/zenpool
available at itunes, toweronline, bestbuyonline,
sony direct, rhapsody, loudeye...
IOMA award winner "best producer"2004
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 03-23-2006, 07:34 PM
Roger -Dot- Lee's Avatar
Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin) Roger -Dot- Lee is offline
El Queso Grande
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Feet from the southern tip of the San Francisco Bay. Pity me.
Posts: 1,076
Send a message via ICQ to Roger -Dot- Lee Send a message via AIM to Roger -Dot- Lee
Re: Sad and Scary Yes Related Thought

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesspaz
If these four cats do a new album together, I'd be on it like white on rice in a glass of milk on a paper plate in a snowstorm.
By my Aunt Helen's lederhosen, I've missed you, Spaz.

Roger -Dot- Lee, *SNORT*
__________________
Roger -Dot- Lee
El Queso Media Grande
Unrepentant Geek
Officially sanctioned station dude emeritus
Generally agreed upon second in command of OS, Web, and hardware. On the Moon.

"[m]y iPod is solar powered" Aural Moon!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:25 PM.