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Arvo Pärt
I do really miss progressive classical music. The early fusion of rock and classic is there (The Nice) and i think i saw symphonies of Mozart.
To start filling the gap i'd like to see something of the estonian composer Arvo Pärt. The albums 'Tabula Rasa' and 'Te Deum' are a perfect introduction to his work. It's not easy, not electrical but it challenges all your senses. Following a sticky thread: If you like King Crimson unplugged try Arvo Pärt...
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the opinions of yesspaz do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the station managment. (Though they often overlap.)
Can you point me to sound clips or something? We won't be adding lots of classical music (don't worry Spaz), but if there's enough interest there, I would consider it... |
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I do and don't agree with you, O the wise. And maybe Arvo Part is too much classical and not enough rock. It depends on how you look at the term progressive. In my opinion, the playlist has lots of rock that is hardly progressive and almost no progressive music that is not rock (apart from a few keyboard wizards). Thats the main reason for suggesting A.P.
But almost als listeners have experienced the unsatisfying discussions about wat progrock is and isn't. I dont want to start one again. The progdirJim decides and doing a great job so far. Just try to be kinder with the reply next time. This newbee almost took off to listen to his own great collection of progressive (rock)music. Jim: on amazon are a few clips. greetz
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So anyway, sorry if I pissed you off and I'm glad you're going to see Blue Man Group. Q. the wise
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I know when I first joined I didn't read back to old threads. Life is about discussing the same things again and again. I like Mr. Pocus's posts so far. Stay with us. |
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Thanks for the nice words R&R.
O (for old ) the Wise. I do understand the frustrations of the elderly in forums. I'm one myself in different groups. Be careful not to scare the youth away, it can easily lead to an incrowd discussion of 10 people. And in the end there is nothing progressive to that. I don't read old threads. If i would, i'd sound like the old bunch: seen it, done it... I do like your posts and agree on most of your opinions. But i'll keep posting questions, suggestions and remarks if they are relevant to me or if i think they can be interesting for other progrock fans. This includes progclassic. And i'm open to suggestions about crossovers between Rachmaninoff and and Deep Purple. Which band brings The Nice, ELP or Sky to a new level? Lots of K. Schulze in the playlist. Whats your opinion: rock or not? (correction, not in the playlist yet, just in a post of PDJim i think)
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Old ;-)
Yesspaz isn't what most of us consider "old," unless maybe you're 12. That's ok, it's awfully difficult to tell someone's age from their typing, nickname, avatar, or broken leg.
But definitely stick around! Here's my (unsolicited) opinion on the matter. I carry no weight here and my opinions don't always coincide with those of the station manager's. Disclaimer disclaimer. Disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer. I think some modern progressive classical would be nice in small doses. I don't mind hearing the Mozart here every so often, but to me it doesn't seem progressive at all. Maybe it was at the time it was written (but I seem to remember otherwise - it was just very good music that fit into the style of what was being written then) but nowadays (to me) it doesn't feel progressive at all. Kronos Quartet was brought up elsewhere, and while I'm not really familiar with their work, I seem to remember them mostly doing stuff that pushes boundaries in music. Yeah, this is all subject to personal tastes. Most art is. As if the Moon is launching an attempt to confuse the issue, Sky's version of "Toccata" is playing right now. PS - I'm not old either.
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At least you got that last part right. Here's an idea I've been mulling over the past few weeks. How about I start culling through the shows -- ALL OF THEM -- and start pulling songs that I don't deem progressive? You're show's a single MP3 and you have one song embedded? Oh well, there goes the show. Think about it, Spaz. Quote:
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Then I'll give you the same sage advice I've been giving people with the same complaint on Usenet: Don't post. Ignore it. Wisdom also includes knowing when to shut up, if you get my drift. Quote:
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Do I seem unduly harsh, Spaz? Coming down a little hard on you? Remeber this next time you decide to launch into a newbie. Show them at least a miniscule portion of the patience that I've shown with you. Got it? Roger -Dot- Lee, I can get even less subtle if necessary
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another chimin' in
I'm not exactly a newb, but I'm not a frequent forum reader/poster, so (in a Steve Martin voice) *excuse me* if this offends anybody.
I have a strong classical background, grew up on it, then played it. My first exposure to rock was post-Woodstock era, and I found ELP at the same time, which blew my socks off. I like rock, I like prog, but I especially love prog influenced by or derived from classical music. Or played by artists with a strong classical training. Etc... It's what spins my prop & floats my boat. So I vote for more, despite any previous threads I may or may not have read, rude slams against what I feel strongly about, shows I feel are far more rock than progressive, etc ad nauseum. As mentioned above: "Disclaimer, IMHO, YMMV".
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I am now convinced that I didn't go far enough. I'd like to state to all and sundry, and especially to YOU, Spaz, that the only time that you have any say as to what is played on this station is when you request it, or currently during your own show. Any other calls of this nature are made by Progdirjim (with the occasional bit of input from me). I'd like to take a moment to point out where it says 'currently'. I've always made it a policy to stay out of what the DJ plays on their show. I figure that we're all allegedly adult enough to be able to keep things sane and progressive. However, recent events over the past few weeks, and especially coupled with this pustulent bit of sanctimonious hypocricy befouling the site, I've been forced to take a very, VERY hard look at the wisdom of this particular policy. Over the next few weeks, I'm going to be monitoring your show, spaz. Any more instances of non-prog on it will force me to take drastic steps, from cancelling that particular show to cancelling your show entirely, depending on the nature of the violation, or, for that matter, my mood at the moment. And if you can't tell, it's not all sweetness and light at this time. There are very few things I can't tolerate. Sanctimonious hypocricy is one of them. Sanctimonious hypocrisy flowing out of someone who's ass I've saved on far too many occasions is simply icing on the cake. Consider this your warning, Spaz. I'm sure that the rest of the DJs will thank you if I have to start babysitting everyone like a kindergarten teacher. In short, keep it prog or keep it off. I don't want to have to limit your selection to only those songs that are on the station. Don't think I won't. Don't think for a SECOND that I won't. You seem to have appointed yourself the cop of prog in the forums. I'm just sorry that I've had to step in and show you just where you really stand. You're on thin ice. I'd suggest treading VERY lightly. Oh, and another thing: this isn't an invitation to a debate. This is a statement of fact. Do with it what you will. Just remember that your actions WILL have ramifications. Roger -Dot- Lee, I've got a hair trigger and I have no problem using it. Any questions?
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And I know where I stand: a man with no power expressing an opinion, which used to okay around here.
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Prog is music that contains evidence that an intelligent human being wrote and/or performed it.
That's why I find it quite easy to dislike many bands, because it's instantly clear that the aforementioned qualities do not exist. There's plenty of Classical that would fit as a break once in a while. Try some Vaughn Williams, or even Howard Hanson (bet not too many here know that name) |
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i've always known that Arvo Pärt does something with people, but this is too much (for me).
hope you guys (roger lee and spaz) don't regret the words typed here. please let me, as the starter of this thread, close it. i'd love to see your opinions in any other thread. h.p.
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Old Sod said: There's plenty of Classical that would fit as a break once in a while. Try some Vaughn Williams, or even Howard Hanson (bet not too many here know that name) Bet some might (not me). How snobbish! Ok hocus, you can have your thread back |
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Personally I LIKE classically oriented Prog, and if it really tickles my fancy, I might pick the album up myself. And Jim has already indicated he might well give it the nod for the station. Should that happen, I'll gladly stuff and mount it and queue it up, like I've done with everything else since I took over the position of official stuffer and mounter. And don't let my grit and gristle scare you off. I can deal with Spaz in private on this issue.
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