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Old 08-12-2004, 08:28 PM
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What classical could be considered prog?

For purposes of possible play suggestion by the station managers, what music loosely defined as classical could be considered prog?

My immediate thoughts were:

1) Mysterious Mountain by Alan Hovahness (sp?)
2) roger.lee suggests Engulfed Cathedral by Debussey and I agree
3) Yes has used Stravinski's Firebird

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P.S. This came from my thought that similar to some early big band being "rock" to my mind (ever listen to "Sing, sing, sing? The drum solo would be worthy of rock anywhere) there is classical that I think at worst is the inspiration for prog if not possibly an early form of prog.
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:59 AM
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Night on Bald Mountain......Modest Petrovich Moussorgsky
Prince Igor......Alexander Borodin
Firebird Suite......Igor Stravinski

If any classical music should be considered Progressive is the Russian Nationalist Movement (Late Romantic/Early Modern) because:

1.- They broke with the mainstream that came from Europe.

2.- They refused to play popular music like Waltzes (There's an anecdote about the Mighty Handfull, who were forced to play in a public park during Russian winter because they refused to play Strauss in the Viena Court, even when they were offered very big bucks).

3.- They were considered extremely complex for their era.

4.- Almost all the world (Except Russia) hated their music during their life time.

5.- They gave extreme importance to the concept.

Does it sounds familiar?

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Old 08-15-2004, 04:22 AM
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If you look thrugh my collection of classic cds you will discover that 95% of the music is written after 1900.

The 5% are basically music written in the latter half of the 19th century plus composers like Bach and Beethoven.

It is very difficult to define music as prog - because at the time of its publication the music was very prog but now perhaps considered as rokko, romantic or rubbish.
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Old 08-17-2004, 08:19 PM
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Re: What classical could be considered prog?

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what music loosely defined as classical could be considered prog?
None. The term "prog" is short-hand for progressive rock. Progressive is one ingredient; rock is the other. Classical, no matter how progressive, is not rock. Taking classical and giving it the treatmant, ala ELP, is fine. But strait classical, no thanks.



Also, this topic has been treaded over on this board at least three other times (eh, Ivan?). A forum search will bring up the relevant threads.


Oh, and I'm back from MS. Hello everyone.
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Old 08-19-2004, 12:20 AM
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Yesspaz wrote:
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Also, this topic has been treaded over on this board at least three other times (eh, Ivan?). A forum search will bring up the relevant threads.
I honestly don't remember, being member of 5 or 6 forums I have almost 3,000 posts and can't remember in which forum it was made before (Because threads usually are repeated in different forums).

By the way, I didn't started this one, only answered it.

Welcome back.

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Old 08-19-2004, 08:21 AM
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[b]I honestly don't remember, being member of 5 or 6 forums I have almost 3,000 posts
Iván
good point - I only belong to this forum and a very small other one, and I have less than half of your posts - and I repeat myself a lot I'm sure!
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:54 AM
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You're right Rick, and it's funny how the same threads are repeated in all the forums.

I´ve seen:

1.- Guilty Pleasures
2.- Clasical Connection
3.- Form your own supergroup.
4.- The best Keyboardist (Vocalist, Guitar player, bassist, etc)
5.- Your Favorite Band
6.- Worst Progressive albums

In every forum or at least in most of them, so at the end you don't remember what did you posted in a determined forum.

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