Re: Where is all of the Dream Theater???
 

Hey John Galt! I resemble that remark!

I know I'm jumpin' in kinda late here, but It occured to me that you youngsters don't realize that back in the 70's, what we now call "Prog Music" wasn't called "Prog Music". We didn't know what it was, only that it was good. And we liked it. It seemed to go well with the consumption of controlled substances.

I go back to before FM radio stations began playing what was known at the time as "Underground" music. Stuff you wouldn't hear on regular (AM) radio. We had a local FM station (KFIG)where I grew up in Fresno, Ca. that began playing
"Underground" music on Saturday nights from 10:00 PM until midnight. They were a "Clasical" music station the rest of the time. I think it was 1971.

So, when did we start calling it "Progressive Music" anyway?

Welcome to the MOON John Galt.

Kev

better late than never
 

yeah kev...i remember back in the day—before it got labeled at all too...my sincerest thanks to TRIAD freeform radio playing 5 nights a week between the hours of 8-1am i think(it also played classical and folk music the rest of the time...who knew!), 1970-71 into the late 70s...and thank you sexy voiced Sal, where ever you are now, the dj who fueled my mind with what we now label progressive rock. making that station discovery late one nite in 1971 remains one of my best, most fond memories.

:o i am a dinosaur...somebody is diggin my bones


p.s. thanks Yspaz for the link;)

Re: better late than never
 

Ah yes Poda, such sweet memories. I was just a barefooted punk in torn jeans and a stratocaster t-shirt. The "voice" that influenced my musical tastes was some guy by the name of "Carl" (god bless ya Carl, wherever you are). I remember Carl sounding very cool and very "mellow". His voice reminds me of the comedian Rick Wright now that I think about it.

They soon added Friday and Sunday nights to the "Underground" music shows and ran them until 2:00 AM. After about a year or so as I recall, the format was changed to all underground, all the time. I soon sported a new "KFIG" t-shirt that was festooned with a strat busting through a stone image of the station call letters. God I wish I still had that shirt!

Kev

"...so please be gentle, 'cause I'm an axe victim"

Re: Re: re: all of the above (pun meant)
 

I have to jump in here. While we've been known to not include a song or two because of "over" popularity, that is not my reasons for not including King's X, for example. I just don't think King's X is prog. I like them, own 4 CDs and plan on getting more. I would see them live if they ever came to San Diego. TMV I just haven't decided on yet. Sigur Ros and GYBE I added without hesitation.

I like enough bands that the masses NEVER will, that it's OK with me when a few make it. But, you have pointed out a common phenomenon

Re: Re: Re: re: all of the above (pun meant)
 

Song to song in my opinion!:D

Re: Re: Re: re: all of the above (pun meant)
 

We have this same discussion in a lot of threads...Spaz mentions king's x, I say cool, Jim says they're not prog and I agree.

Spaz, King's X is one of my favorite bands. And they're not prog.

Ah!
 

Yeah I'm still here.

I haven't been able to get access to a computer for a coupla' days. When I left the thread seemed about dead. I came here with the express intent of saying, "Rick, does this mean you can't 'hang better' than me in the forums?" and forgetting all about it.

Instead it turned into a serious conversation. I really wasn't expecting that, it's nice (I could've done without the scattered insults, though - it's not fair to insult me when I can't argue back, lol). According to Dinosaur I was proud that that happened, even though it "backfired" on me. Funny.

But since everyone's being serious now and not (for the most part) going after me any more, I will attempt to be serious myself. So no exaggeration, inflammatory remarks (well, excluding the one I've already written), or propoganda, just what I think, as clearly and without deception as I can make it.

Podakayne said earlier that "to have [prog] accepted and become the music of the majority masses would kill it." I disagree. Here's why: If prog is more... I don't want to say popular... more well-known, then more people would listen to it. I know this is true because, although I don't know any prog fans (off the cp) I have had limited success marketing prog bands to a minority of people. This suggests that there is a reasonably large fraction of people who would become prog fans as a result of its "more well-known"ness. Not surprisingly, most of these people, in my limited experiences, have been musicians. Surely some of these musicians will begin playing prog rock. That means more for us! Think about it this way: If there was one progressive rock band in the world, no matter how good or amazing they were, they probably wouldn't even come close to being the best if everybody in the world was a member of a prog band (that was a serious exaggeration). Therefore my standpoint is, basically, the more the merrier.

Back to what Podakayne said. I'm assuming that by "kill it" she means water it down, make it less interesting. I don't see that happening. What I do see is Yes, Rush, and Genesis becoming fairly normal bands in the 80s. Would this have happened if prog was the music of the masses?

But the biggest reason I would like prog to be more popular (without the bad connotation) is to find an answer to the question, "If prog was mainstream, what would crazy people like us listen to?"

Now to defending myself. I'm a firm believer that the end justifies the means. When you insult someone, they tend to fight back. Rather than run the risk of being politely rejected, I decided to be radical and inflammatory. It almost didn't work. If Yesspaz hadn't reiterated and built upon my original remarks in more polite language, it probably wouldn't have. So I admit my approach may not have been appropriate in this case, however (;) ) it was fun to write.

Now to prove that the first thing Dino said about me, not the second (it seems to have magically un-backfired on me, actually)
is absolutely dead-on.

Out of all the Dream Theater threads, I think this one is the best - and I'm very proud of that.

Oh, almost forgot. Yes, Kevishev, I'm sure you do resemble that remark (sorry I couldn't resist).

Re: Ah!
 

Since I can't split quotes/insert comments very well, please refer to each paragraph below and match with the ones above.

1) Your obsession with me is a bit scary (lol).
2) A very astute statement, you must have been up all night thinking that one up.:p
3) Defending yourself? No one really cares John about that...it's the discussion of the content that is important, not how you look.
4) Hardly. The thread started by Tommy (EP) was all about the music. Unlike this one.

It is highly ironic that my show this week is somewhat mainstream. You would have a field day with some of the songs I'll play.................

Welcome back John. When I am afk for about 1/2 month soon, feel free to comment, I don't mind. Actually I'm glad you have other interests.

Re: Re: Re: Re: re: all of the above (pun meant)
 

Pretty good summary. Sorry to even bring them up again, but I haven't listened to them in a long time and yesterday I cranked Tape Head for the first time in a while. SOOOO Good.

"I'll never hurt you.
I'll never bring you down.
I'll never kill you.
I'll always be around.
You don't know how much I hate you!":mad:

Hey!
 

I thought we were past this "attack John" phase of the thread! Sheesh!

All right, I'm going to have to fight back now (funny, you seem to be using my tactics).

What I meant by #2, to spell it out for you, is that many people would listen to prog bands if they knew they existed. I discovered it through sheer luck. To demonstrate what I mean, I once asked a guy (a Dream Theater fan) if he knew what prog was. He said "keyboard stuff" and proceeded to tell me that DT was not prog because they weren't keyboard oriented enough. Most people just don't know. If they did....

As for #3, when you start discussing the content and stop attacking me I won't have to defend myself. At least my last comment had a coupla' paragraphs of good content stuff. Yours didn't have any! And why do you assume that I will have a field day with somewhat mainstream music? It depends on what you mean by "somewhat mainstream."

Was that a Thread started by Tommy (EP) or about the Tommy (EP)? I couldn't find either, I guess I'm not looking in the right places. Anyway, I stick to what I said.

To put some discussion of content on this post (Rick, do you want to call a truce? All this arguing is starting to work against me.), I'll go back to that popularity discussion. When I asked that one girl's dad (the former progger one) about it, he said, "that's what we listened to back then." Obviously prog wasn't the mainstream thing, so I'll take that to mean it wasn't uncommon. Ugh... I can't make this go anywhere.... I agree with whoever said that post-rock was the prog rock of the 90s. I keep seeing GY!BE popping up in this discussion. I heard some of their stuff on the college radio station and bought Yanqui U.X.O. and Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven. It's cool stuff, I didn't realize they were so popular.

?????
 

Who's attacking you? I've not been doing that, especially in my last post. Disagreeing is not attacking.

Sorry about the Tommy thing. He was a DJ here. I didn't give you enough info.

The whole keyboard anecdote you mention is usually used by metalheads describing anything other than metal. I find that most people know...they just don't care.

GYBE pops up simply because it's a lightning rod. They're polarizing... If you can find it, check out the "rename GYBE thread".. it's a hoot.

Re: Ah!
 

you keep saying that. is it still fun when people get hurt? that's what bothers me. lots of things are fun, but they're not meant to be shared.


anyway, I've really enjoyed most of this discussion, and I think the concept of the effects of popularity on a type of music and/or groups is well worth discussing. it happens all the time.

re: Hey!
 

see john you fit in very well here...and no one is really attacking you, your character or anything else of a personal nature...so no need for you to defend yourself. if you wanna read attacks try searching out the 'old sod threads.

you have managed to elicit a great thread (though i agree the G!YBE thread is a real hoot too)...we obviously like the stimuli you provided...you held your own IMHO, not that i doubted that from the first post...there's good people here and some great debates...occasionally they may get heated or harsh but even then the participants dont hold grudges...i like that, civil disagreement...what a concept.

oh i like how you took my point to the other side...like better your question: "If prog was mainstream, what would crazy people like us listen to?" LOL, how true, how true...besides i like my snobbery everyone should have something don't you think?

poda

Re: Ah!
 

The only reason I'm not taking any offense to all this dear John, is because I know all too well that YOU will be an old fucker like me someday. Just like I know there'll be some smart-assed punk like you around to remind you about it too!

And I mean that in the friendliest possible way. No, I'm serious. You kinda remind me of myself at your age....... Maybe you're the one that should be offended....... :D

Kev

ps: You gotta forgive Rickandroll. He likes RJ Dio... :eek:

Re: Re: Ah!
 

Especially like today... today you're an official old fart! :p

Sorry I'm late to this fine discussion

Dream T, 90% of it is noise. I'm sure some of it elevates above this rating, but the pain of getting to it is too much to bear. Rating : PASS

Now for a real stench sniff some Enchant.

Ok, now that you're done puking.......


And any group that names itself after the male member, well, what can I say, you'd have to be a tool to like them.

Kid, yeah , you the one that started the thread, when you grow up, maybe you'll realize that after Michael Jackson and B Spears, there is no other music.

Party On Poopers.

I've resisted this long but...........
 

Dream Theater?????????

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggg gggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's better. Now to get back to some Opeth......;)

Re: I've resisted this long but...........
 

Keithie, old shoe, I think you may have stated my feelings about Dream Theater AND John Galt much more eloquently than I possibly could have.

There are times I'm sad that I don't have as much time to devote to the forums as I used to.

And then there's threads like this.

If anything AT ALL beneficial has come out of this spewage, it's the impetus for me to get off my duff and learn the forum software. I found a couple of nice little bits of functionality with which to torment the unwise and preliterate. Now I just have to get the time and motivation to put them to good use. Shame I didn't take the time to discover it before Olde Sod annoyed me.

Does ANYONE know what demons possess customers of Southwestern Bell to become such cretinous chowderheads? I seem to recall that both Olde Sod and Our Favorite Overrequester were BOTH from that besotted ISP.

Roger -Dot- Lee, busy for the moment, but fed up enough to actually act.

Re: Re: I've resisted this long but...........
 

you going to share? ;)

or are these "features" just for the powerful?... :cool:

Re: Re: Re: I've resisted this long but...........
 

Alas, unless you happen to be in possession of The Keys(TM), the ignition won't turn, and the fires won't light.

But what I CAN tell you is that there is now a user group called 'Chowderheads'. I'd add the likes of Old Sod as well, but I've already edited his user account to unusability, so there would be no point.

Roger -Dot- Lee, All Your Base Are Belong To Us! HA HA Hack

Re: Ah!
 

Are you ... sure?



Then perhaps you shouldn't have written them, eh? You expected everyone to bow before your greatness because you thought it would amuse you?

I hasten to assure you that you are, in fact, not the only person on this planet that enjoys bringing others down and otherwise making them look (for lack of a more suitable word) like drooling knuckle-draggers. I'd like to point out the thread titled 'Happy Family?' as started by one Old Sod.

Assuming, of course, that you can.

And since you listed your birthday as 2-30-1988, I have my doubts, but that's neither here nor there for the moment.

Let us proceed with this wonderful little ditty we're going through, shall we?



OK, let's assume for a moment that you actually do know what you're talking about. Occasionally you DO seem to be able to formulate a coherent sentence, so I'd imagine that that glimmer in your eye is in fact intelligence and NOT the light of the sun streaming through a hole in the back of your head.



Au contraire. I'm both quite non-serious and very much going after you. Since everyone else has taken the substance of this thread and actually turned it into something civil, it leaves me with naught but a bit of amusement before calling it an afternoon...



GAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! *snort*

Oh, that's a good one!



If you're ACTUALLY being serious and ACTUALLY asking this without attempting to flame, or otherwise act like a chowderhead, I think the answer is quite simple: prog.

If you listen to a given bit of music based on what anyone else thinks of it, you're not crazy. You're not 'Unique'. You're a sheep. Pure and simple. If you listen to prog because everyone else doesn't, then perhaps I might want to direct you to the International section of your nearest Record Shoppe. I'm sure that they have a wide selection of Peruvian Alpaca Herder's music, or maybe "Polkas for Pythons" by the Burmese National Boys Choir. Nobody here listens to that! That in and of itself has GOT to be a solid recommendation based on your above paragraph.

I also find it rather amusing that you pretend to speak for "us" as in "crazy people like us". You got a dwarf in your pocket (ObBadFollowUp: Or are you just glad to see me?)?



Sorry, this is getting too long as it is, and Mrs. Lee is waiting for me.



I again direct you to the thread called "Happy Family?" started by one Old Sod. I assure you, you are NOT the only one that enjoys ripping people new ones. Perhaps you can comment on that? Perhaps BEFORE I remove all the Dream Theater from the station? Not that I mind having it on here, you see. I certainly wouldn't do it permanently. Just long enough for you to notice, and perhaps fill that pair of Spiderman Underoos that you borrowed from Old Sod.

Have a nice day, and remember: Smile!

Roger -Dot- Lee, hugs 'n kissies!

Re: Re: Ah!
 

I love those guys.

Re: Re: Re: Ah!
 

Yes, but are they PROG?

Roger -Dot- Lee, only for very small values of 'prog'

they are in Burma... ;)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Ah!
 

Dunno. I can't find any of their recordings a amazon.co.mm.

Michael Jackson...
 

knows about the Burmese Boys Choir.

mebbe I shoulda winked... :cool:

Please forgive me. I forgot to add Trinity to the list of detritus masquerading as prog.

What a stench.

1. This thread's still alive?



2. Oh look, now we've got another flamer-type. Let me be the first to "welcome" you, ThreeGonads. First I'd like to point out the hypocrisy of criticizing Tool because they named themselves after the "male member" and then using the eloquent name ThreeGonads. Great visual. Second, your first two posts are the "this band sucks and you have no taste it you like them" type. Thanks for the positive influence you've added to AM.

That's too funny!

By the way Spaz, I'm at work and can't blow up your pic. Who are the trio in the avatar? I thought Kx at first but doesn't seem right........

OK, Oysterhead. I just read your other post. I was in the general area...

hey Roger, wanna bet the three gonads are made out of old sod? even if not, can you relegate the pinhead to the same fate? please?

I wouldn't be in the least surprised. I was waiting for him to give us enough rope with which to hang him, but if you can make a noose out of what he's given so far, then I have no problem kicking the chair (to run a metaphor completely into the ground).

Consider it done.

Roger -Dot- Lee

If I remember correctly, the word "stench" was used quite often by Sod, so you're probably right on the Gonads.

We have evolved from Dream Theater to Gonad Stench.
Don't blame me. I was extinct 65 million years ago.

Gonad Stench. Hmm... sounds like a DC hardcore band.

I've heard that one before - "it's not my epoch"....excuses excuses :D

Hi I'm the new to Aural Moon and I'd like to give my opinion about Dream Theater. They are withotu a doubt one of my favorite bands but I didnt expect to see them on this website. In fact, I can listen to them all I want from my own collection. I want to hear more progressive rock from around the world, experimental rock, art rock, jazz-fusion, etc. If I want to listen to DT, all I have to do is put it on. I like the collection of music from this website and if anyone believes that comparing a band like Spock's Beard To Dream Theater, or any other comparison for that matter, well they are entitled to it but I think its too subjective. Especially when you try to compare progressive metal with progressive rock, two different entities, with different approaches, different musicianship and a whole different point of view about what makes compositions "progressive". But anyways, good job with the website. I'll enjoy listening to the aural moon radio feeds :P

Thanks

Rick

another Rick...
 

that is lucid and makes sense....I can't stand it!:p

re: another rick
 

must be telepathically linked today rick...that was my exact thought...scary hummm

poda
;)

p.s. welcome to the fold Symbolic

Re: another Rick...
 

whose the first? :p