A GREAT debate! What changed music?

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by Yesspaz

You ever had the privilege of having a Surge? I thought not or you'd appreciate the banner!

yes, it's called pouring sugar down your throat......

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by kevishev

I have to take issue with the question in general. So I voted "Other".

Does it matter if the music is made by pounding stick on a rock or a dried animal skin that had been stretched over a hollow tree stump by one or a cave full of mudmen? Does it matter that the same sounds can be made today by one bony finger touching an ivory key hooked-up to all kinds of electronic magic? It's still music is it not?

What has changed is the way "music", in whatever form or genre you want to talk about, is made available to the masses. The most elemental vehicle to this end would undoubtedly have to be the reproduction of music by way of recordings. The mass reproduction and distribution of recordings by the record companies is by far the most influential aspect of this discussion. The advent of radio made the music available to the broad and varied tastes of the consumer. The rest, as they say, is history.

I would vote for radio and recording technology as the most important inventions that have affected the music we hear today.

Thank you Kev....You echoed my thoughts but said it in a way that I meant -

Well done..

[sharcnorris]

Originally Posted by Methem

(An old thread that might be interesting to some.)

doh !!

[progdirjim(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Yesspaz

You ever had the privilege of having a Surge? I thought not or you'd appreciate the banner!

If you want to save Surge buy more of it. I feel like I have to enforce the "no advertising" rule here...

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Yesspaz

You ever had the privilege of having a Surge? I thought not or you'd appreciate the banner!

Sheesh! It's a soft drink and wasn't that popular so it's being discontinued. I, for one, had never even heard of it until you started your banner campaign.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Sheesh! It's a soft drink and wasn't that popular so it's being discontinued. I, for one, had never even heard of it until you started your banner campaign.

That's a good thing. Diabetics and Surge is like Hezbollah and Israel....

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

That's a good thing. Diabetics and Surge is like Hezbollah and Israel....

Don't know anything about it. What is it, liquid Sugar-PLUS?

[roger]

Originally Posted by progdirjim

I feel like I have to enforce the "no advertising" rule here...

yes, please. since us asking him hasn't seemed to work.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Don't know anything about it. What is it, liquid Sugar-PLUS?

From the save Surge site:

http://www.savesurge.org/surge/about...caffeine.shtml

Good to see Jolt second on the list. That was big when I was in college. I'm wondering what this "Afri-Cola" is at the top of list. Actually, I'm wondering why I'm even researching this!

When I decided to lose weight two years ago, I cut out coffee. Although I love the taste, I pride myself in getting up early and getting through the day without it. Of course I am an irritable bastard. A fair tradeoff, maybe.

Give me some of that Afri-Cola NOW!!!!

Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine. Need my caffeine!!!!!!

btw....I didn't realise that sodas changed music to SUCH a degree....

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

From the save Surge site:

http://www.savesurge.org/surge/about...caffeine.shtml

Good to see Jolt second on the list. That was big when I was in college. I'm wondering what this "Afri-Cola" is at the top of list. Actually, I'm wondering why I'm even researching this!

When I decided to lose weight two years ago, I cut out coffee. Although I love the taste, I pride myself in getting up early and getting through the day without it.

I don't understand the caffeine/coffee and diet connection. Would it wake you up and you'd eat more?

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

Of course I am an irritable bastard. A fair tradeoff, maybe.

Oh! I thought that was just your nature demeanor.

[mossy]

I don't understand the caffeine/coffee and diet connection. Would it wake you up and you'd eat more?


http://www.teeccino.com/weightloss.aspx

[lotus]

Originally Posted by progdirjim

I feel like I have to enforce the "no advertising" rule here...

I guess you should, Jim, as this thread e.g. is changing to a nutrition and beverage thread.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by lotus

I guess you should, Jim, as this thread e.g. is changing to a nutrition and beverage thread.

So that means you can sell more product Lotus!

Ok, let's segue...

beverages changed music!

[progdirjim(Admin)]

Okay Spaz, "I love you man" and all that, but lose the surge banner now. (can't seem to find a BIG GRIN smiley)

[teermin8r]

I voted 'Other' Drugs AND Technology is the reason.

[mailotron]

.. concerning progrock it is with no doubt the average age of the lieteners

[jtmckinley]

Originally Posted by black max

I'll vote for computers/programming, not because I think it's a definitive "right" answer, but because it's worth mentioning. Yea zillions of people have been able to make music without learning complex instrumentation through the medium of computers; professional musicians have been able to play with different sounds and instruments that they don't know how to play per se through electronics.

Not that this is always a good thing by any means, but then, nothing is.

I have to agree with black max, I almost voted for electrification, but when I started thinking about it, it seemed that computers/software (C/S from here on) really has made the most change in music in the 20th (and now 21st) century. I'm including ICs, analog signal processing, DSP, sampling, waveform editing, MIDI, synthesis, looping, instrument/amp/room simulation etc. all under C/S. Electrification allowed people to be heard by bigger audiences, and amplification allowed for some interesting tonal changes like distortion, but the instruments still sounded pretty similar and you still needed somebody to play the parts. It's arguable whether one should include old analog circuits under C/S but I do since after all the very first computers were analog and modern signal processing almost always has some software running somewhere, so I'm seperating simple amplification from the rest and calling that electrification since for many years that was pretty much all there was.

C/S has allowed the creation of music/sounds that simply couldn't be produced previously. In addition C/S allows one to write music that may be unplayable by humans (some of FZ's polyrhythmic music borders on this). C/S has also allowed composers to hear music they wrote without having to hire people to play it. I'm not saying that not hiring musicians is a good thing, but it does let one work things out on one's own before spending a lot of money to pay people to play it, especially in the case of orchestral music (FZ is again a good example of this and it is likely why he started using the synclavier so much). Also as black max mentioned it allows people who can't even play an instrument to make music, sometimes even with interesting results. And then there is all the recording/mixing/mastering stuff that can be done, well you get the idea...

[Yesspaz]

Ok ok ok ok ok, I'll lose the Surge banner!

I'm not actually trying to save Surge single-handedly or anything. And for the record I bought a ton of that stuff back in the day. It's been discontinued for about 5 years and only recently did I discover that there was a whole web campaign trying to bring it back. I didn't realize ya'll would be so, uh, passionate against the banner. Oh well. I really don't care, so it's not a big deal.

PS, I didn't lose it earlier 'cause it's been a while since I was last on the forums. And no I won't change something just because someone asks me to (you can't please all the people...). I have no problem changing something that the station owner asks. Totally different.

[Gabriel's Angel]

The Beatles