Sciences on Moon

[Methem]

Originally Posted by jtmckinley

There was an interesting CSPAN program with Ray Kurzweil 11/5/2006 that discussed some of these topics that Moonfolk might find interesting [...]

Just saw this on the USENET group alt.folklore.computers:

> Imagine the day when someone will be able to reflect back on the
> last 6000 years of composing programs. Will a.f.c still be around
> in some form?

Well, according to Ray Kuzrweil in "The Singularity is Near"
[...] we will still be around in 6000 years (at least those of us who can
survive until the technological utopia arrives around 2040). But - by
then the computers will have been programming themselves for many
millenia. Maybe the computers will have an a.f.h newsgroup
(alt.folklore.humans) where they will reminisce about the distant past
when humans still programmed them. For a laugh they might even dredge
up some 20th century code.

Hmmm.....


-Methem

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Methem

Just saw this on the USENET group alt.folklore.computers:



Hmmm.....


-Methem

Suppose they dredged up Weenoze source code!!! Those computers would be pondering how they ever survived.

[Methem]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Suppose they dredged up Weenoze source code!!!

What a surprise...

Those computers would be pondering how they ever survived.

I wonder what they would do with something like the following:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/...sts/search.tes


-Methem

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Methem

What a surprise...




I wonder what they would do with something like the following:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/...sts/search.tes


-Methem

OMG! How timely! I was writing some TECO (ie. the MUNG SEARCH) code today to replace "0" (zeros) in a file with slashed zeros.

EB{file}$EY$<FS0$216\$;>EX$$

Clear as day, right? FYI, the $ are escapes as show TECO.

[Methem]

Originally Posted by VAXman

OMG! How timely! I was writing some TECO (ie. the MUNG SEARCH) code today to replace "0" (zeros) in a file with slashed zeros.

EB{file}$EY$<FS0$216\$;>EX$$

Clear as day, right? FYI, the $ are escapes as show TECO.

Yes, very clear... Luckily I'm too young to have ever needed to deal with that language. I only know it's pretty cryptic, as can be seen.

The original EMACS editor (on ITS and TOPS-20?) was obviously written in TECO macros; must have been a lot of fun.


-Methem

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Methem

Yes, very clear... Luckily I'm too young to have ever needed to deal with that language. I only know it's pretty cryptic, as can be seen.

The original EMACS editor (on ITS and TOPS-20?) was obviously written in TECO macros; must have been a lot of fun.


-Methem

I have EMACS on my Powerbook configured in EDT mode. I know simple commands in VI but it's really annoying to trip in and out of escape mode.

I've used TECO, SUMSLP, SOS, EDLINE and EDT on VMS. EDT is the most powerful editor. EVE/TPU I use when there's certain needs but mostly, I only use TPU if I need to write a text processing module.

[Methem]

(Sorry for hijacking your beautiful science thread for this sort of stuff, folks. )

Originally Posted by VAXman

I have EMACS on my Powerbook configured in EDT mode. I know simple commands in VI but it's really annoying to trip in and out of escape mode.

Vi isn't my cup of tea either. I use Emacs on my Linux box. I don't claim to be any sort of guru with it though -- far from it.

I've used TECO, SUMSLP, SOS, EDLINE and EDT on VMS. EDT is the most powerful editor. EVE/TPU I use when there's certain needs but mostly, I only use TPU if I need to write a text processing module.

Can't much comment on the merits of each of those, as I don't really know too much about VMS at this point. So far I've been reading about it and mainly using the machines of the Deathrow cluster to experiment with things. Going the Hobbyist route is of course a consideration and has been for quite a long while now.

The first time I've used VMS was a few years ago when I was doing some summer work in steel industry. The place was a cold-rolling mill, and it was a large annealing and pickling line that processed stainless steel strip. There was an oldish Alpha box with, I think, VMS 6.x installed on it. The box provided some mathematical models and calculations for the the general automation system that controlled the production line. Among other things, the box was used to adjust the temperatures in the large annealing furnace that processed the strip. Now, that was a safe place to experiment with the OS.


-Methem

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Suppose they dredged up Weenoze source code!!! Those computers would be pondering how they ever survived.

Here's a scary concept: They're actual descendants of Billy's Best Efforts, and they view it, not as a humorous view into the past (akin to, say, today's view of platform shoes and bell bottoms) but instead as a heroic predecessor, like George Washington, Mustafa Ataturk, etc.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Roger -Dot- Lee

Here's a scary concept: They're actual descendants of Billy's Best Efforts, and they view it, not as a humorous view into the past (akin to, say, today's view of platform shoes and bell bottoms) but instead as a heroic predecessor, like George Washington, Mustafa Ataturk, etc.

No, they would probably view it more like the aberration of the human experience that was Adolf Hitler.

[Methem]

Originally Posted by VAXman

Suppose they dredged up Weenoze source code!!! Those computers would be pondering how they ever survived.

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...dy-061207.html
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.f...c9f23336ee22ef

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Dot, will try to reach you on the Deathrow system whenever I'm online there -- not very often these days.


-Methem

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Methem

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...dy-061207.html
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.f...c9f23336ee22ef

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Dot, will try to reach you on the Deathrow system whenever I'm online there -- not very often these days.


-Methem

Thanks Methem... I haven't read alt.folklore.computers in eons... maybe I should rekindle the subscription.

FYI, DEATHrow is back on-line. A major system drive failure. The SYSUAF file was restored from a backup months prior so you need to use password from then. Here a podcast with more info... http://www.openvms.org/podcast/OWAU-2006-12-7_1.mp3