the GENESIS story...

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by ivan_2068

There's nothing as don't need the money, Phil is in the middle of a divorce that could cost him 50% of his earnings and when so much money is ibnvolved, things are more expensive for the wealthy guy.

Probably his wife lawyers are working in base of a "Cuota Litis", in other words they will charge her a percentage of whatever they get, so she probably is not investing a dime.

On the other hand, if you are sued and you can loose a hunbdreed millions, no lawyer will work for free, they will charge Phil Collins a percentage of what he can loose with a very high advance payment.

Mike and Tony have not done any really profitable thing in the last 13 or 14 years and when you have more money, you expend much more.

I don't believe they are in bankrupt but their huge fortunes may be in risk of becoming simply small fortunes and when you're rich enough, this must be terribly fightening.

And even if they are rich, everybody wants to be richer, look at Bill Gates, he has enough money for him and probably ten more generations but still he's working for more.

Iván

I really don't believe that they are touring for the money. And I don't believe that they write songs to make hits.

The three of them (again, all are responsible) have made the music you dislike for over 25 years. This is just what they do. Call it what you will, but it's not a commercial pursuit with musical overtones. It's music that is commercially successful. There's a difference.

There is no Monopoly here. What Genesis is doing has zero effect on the purchase habits for any other artist.

How did Bill Gates get in the conversation? I find the analogy irrelevant.

[ivan_2068]

Respéctfully Disagree Rick and this are my arguments:

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

I really don't believe that they are touring for the money. And I don't believe that they write songs to make hits.

I do believe they went commercial and that they wrote songs with the purpose of reaching the charts because:

POP MUSIC: For popular music (music produced commercially rather than art or folk music),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

1.- They changed complex structures to simple ABAB (Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus) mainly.

The basic form for pop music is the song and usually a song consisting of verse and repeated chorus.
http://top40.about.com/od/popmusic101/a/popmusic.htm

2.- They went for a shorter lenght of songs in order to have radio airplay.

Most often the songs are between 2 1/2 minutes and 5 1/2 minutes in length. There have been notable exceptions. The Beatles' "Hey Jude" was an epic 7 minutes in length. However, in many cases, if the song is abnormally long, an edited version is released for radio airplay such as in the case of Don McLean's "American Pie." It was edited down from its original 8 1/2 minutes length to just over 4 minutes for radio airplay.
http://top40.about.com/od/popmusic101/a/popmusic.htm

3.- The lyrics passed from ambituos and elegant to simple and mnore romantic oriented in some cases.

It's evident that since "Follow You, Follow Me" reached the charts and they received a lot of cash, they changed for a more commercial approach.

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

The three of them (again, all are responsible) have made the music you dislike for over 25 years. This is just what they do. Call it what you will, but it's not a commercial pursuit with musical overtones. It's music that is commercially successful. There's a difference.

IMO and as I explained in the previous point, they went fopr a cokmmercial approach.

Pop music is a genre of popular music distinguished from classical or art music and from folk music [1]. The term indicates specific stylistic traits, but the genre also includes elements of rock, hip hop, dance, and country, making it a flexible category. The expression "pop music" may also be used to refer to particular subgenres (within the pop music genre) that are in some cases referred to as soft rock and pop/rock. The pop music genre also often involves mass marketing and consumer-driven efforts by major record companies, which makes it an often scorned genre by non-mainstream musicians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

Reminds me of late Genesis

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

There is no Monopoly here. What Genesis is doing has zero effect on the purchase habits for any other artist.

Agree with you in this point.

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

How did Bill Gates get in the conversation? I find the analogy irrelevant.

It's only an example that there's not such thing as "I have enough money", the more people have, the more they want, that's part of human nature.

But again it's only my opinion and subject to error.

Iván