Day of Silence?

[elliot]

I'm just wondering why AM isn't participating in the internet radio Day of Silence.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/ne...07/index.shtml

--Elliot

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by elliot

I'm just wondering why AM isn't participating in the internet radio Day of Silence.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/ne...07/index.shtml

--Elliot

Don't know. Not my call. This reminds me of lighting candles and having a vigil. What would be accomplished by this?

[RogorMortis]

Accomplish?

Absoutley nothing. The men in black would just say, "Well if you can do without internet radio for one day then you can do without it in the other 364 days........"

[jtmckinley]

Kinda of what I thought too Rick & RM, solidarity is nice, but without some message playing or something telling why the station isn't broadcasting music that day, some people might think it's a done deal, the station is shut down and just never come back, not a very well thought out campaign IMHO. They should at least have provided some sort of lengthy message to play describing the situation available for stations to download and play instead of regular programming, IMHO anyway.

[elliot]

Just like in any protest, some people will say "what will that accomplish"? What does it cost to try? The huge internet radio stations have shut down for the day, like Live365 and Pandora. I don't see why all prog stations don't shut down. Will we lose too much money???

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by elliot

Just like in any protest, some people will say "what will that accomplish"? What does it cost to try? The huge internet radio stations have shut down for the day, like Live365 and Pandora. I don't see why all prog stations don't shut down. Will we lose too much money???

We don't get any money. That's what makes the whole internet fee thing so maddening. I was talking to Avian this past weekend and worst-case scenario we'll play independents.

I've said before, this is not my fight. it's the artists. They've already begun to coalesce and some even have waivers to let the stations play music.

All I mean is that in this situation it would accomplish nothing. Live365 has a different agenda. And all it would do would be to get us in the news for a day.

jt's point about 'doing without" is excellent. didn't think of that...

[elliot]

I know we don't make money. I was being sarcastic.

And, if you read the fine print, there are no such things as independents when it comes to peerformance royalties. SoundExchange owns the rights for ALL perfomance recording (though I don't understand why and how, but they do). Even artists not signed with an RIAA label. Because, "they could someday do so".

Nobody yet knows what kind of waiver is necessary. The artist has to tell SoundExchange that they waive the royalties, but this is not obvious how to do this.

Come July 15, I don't think you/we/prog stations will have too many artists to play, even if they WANT to be played. That's the whole sad part. The artists themselves might not even be in control, and they don't know it. Thus, this demonstration to draw attention to this.

--Elliot

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by elliot

I know we don't make money. I was being sarcastic.

And, if you read the fine print, there are no such things as independents when it comes to peerformance royalties. SoundExchange owns the rights for ALL perfomance recording (though I don't understand why and how, but they do). Even artists not signed with an RIAA label. Because, "they could someday do so".

Nobody yet knows what kind of waiver is necessary. The artist has to tell SoundExchange that they waive the royalties, but this is not obvious how to do this.

Come July 15, I don't think you/we/prog stations will have too many artists to play, even if they WANT to be played. That's the whole sad part. The artists themselves might not even be in control, and they don't know it. Thus, this demonstration to draw attention to this.

--Elliot

ok then...I see your point. But at the advent of all of this I decided not to sweat it. I'm not frying this fish.

[Marvina]

I for one appreciate that you are still broadcasting music today, and feel that being quiet today would not benefit Aural Moon. I have purchased CD's from artists I learned about only thorugh Aural Moon, and have a list of over 200 artists that I want to purchase music from!

[OverHillandDale(Admin)]

A boycott on this station would only effect 2-300 listeners. A boycott via the larger network of providers effects the 1000's of listener's, perhaps even the 10,000's of listeners.

where do you think the most good will be accomplished?

This is our own private listening club, so to speak. Although anyone is welcome to join in and listen.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by elliot

I'm just wondering why AM isn't participating in the internet radio Day of Silence.

http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/ne...07/index.shtml

--Elliot

We should have every internet station play a resounding "Fuck You RIAA" over and over and over if their plan to impose their ubiquitous mediocrity comes to fuition. However, until then, we will continue to stream the best music we can and take advantage of the ideal that created the internet in the first place.

[elliot]

I'll say one more thing, then I will shut up.

To say that this one station can't make a difference is the same thing as not voting because your one vote won't matter. If all those people who said that in fact DID vote, they could turn elections around. I see the "too small to matter" argument as just pure apathy.

Today's update at http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/ne...07/index.shtml says that Congress is being overwhelmed with phone calls. So, the day of silence appears to be having the desired affect.

--Elliot

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by elliot

I'll say one more thing, then I will shut up.

To say that this one station can't make a difference is the same thing as not voting because your one vote won't matter. If all those people who said that in fact DID vote, they could turn elections around. I see the "too small to matter" argument as just pure apathy.

Today's update at http://www.kurthanson.com/archive/ne...07/index.shtml says that Congress is being overwhelmed with phone calls. So, the day of silence appears to be having the desired affect.

--Elliot

Turn the election around? I hear that from people whenever their political party affiliation is the one that came in "under-funded" in the vote tally. Here in the states, it doesn't matter. The difference between parties is moot. It's like the difference between sticking your head into a bucket of shit or into a pale of shit. The 2 major parties here are corrupt and out of touch with their constituents. The current and former administrations alone should have opened your eyes to this. Next election, vote for me!

The only reason that congress MIGHT intercede is because their constituents are harassing them and keeping them from exercising their practices of graft and deceit.

[Cozy]

Keep in mind Aural Moon just protested in their own way over the weekend with the Gagliarchives broadcast. One of the core themes brought up repeatedly over the program was the 'save net radio' theme.

It's not exactly like we aren't doing anything here, but this is the first time I personally had heard of the 'day of silence'.



- Cozy

[jtmckinley]

I really should have read elliot's link before I said the protest wasn't well organized, I guess they did have PSAs available for people to use while not playing music. Having said that however, the Moon is not like other radio stations, it is small (so far) and we have a community here and in fact I think you'll find if you search the forums there are several threads regarding the price changes proposed by SoundExchange, so it's not like our listener base is unaware of the issue perhaps unlike the listeners of many of the big stream radio stations. Also if you read the aforementioned threads you'll find that many, if not most of us who reside in the US have already contacted our representatives. I know in my case I have written personal letters as well as signed on to petitions from around the net as well as asked friends to do the same. So what good would shutting the Moon down for a day do for me? I've already done what I can do and my guess is that many of the US moonies have as well. Also the Moon has a quite large non-US contigent, they couldn't do anything anyway since they aren't US citizens, so shutting down the Moon just deprives them of their music with no benefit. Anyway I hope that makes things a bit clearer about why several of us think shutting down Aural Moon really wouldn't do much good.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Cozy

Keep in mind Aural Moon just protested in their own way over the weekend with the Gagliarchives broadcast. One of the core themes brought up repeatedly over the program was the 'save net radio' theme.

It's not exactly like we aren't doing anything here, but this is the first time I personally had heard of the 'day of silence'.



- Cozy

I myself have written to my representatives and I've received correspondence from 2 of 3. I believe it did about as much good as pissing into a strong gale-force wind but I did write them.

My time and resources are limited. However, if the outcome of this turns out NOT to favor us, I will tap my personal limited resources to mount whatever resistance I can to turn the tide. The "No CRAP -- Corporate and RIAA Approved Programming" initiative will be born.

[Rick and Roll]

Elliott, there is no need to "shut up". You have an opinion and it is well thought out.

There are a lot more stations out there much smaller than us. For an independent station, we have a lot of ears.

My opinion is that there are more effective ways to make our voices heard. I think the silence is counterproductive.

[VAXman(Admin)]

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

Elliott, there is no need to "shut up". You have an opinion and it is well thought out.

Right! To the contrary, we all need to speak up, not shut up. I am amazed, even amongst internet radio listeners, that there are so many that do not know of the impending death toll for internet radio.

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

There are a lot more stations out there much smaller than us. For an independent station, we have a lot of ears.

My opinion is that there are more effective ways to make our voices heard. I think the silence is counterproductive.

I've urged people to visit SaveNetRadio.org and print out the information there, make copies and circulate it at places where people who listen to music (record stores, concerts, etc.) could learn about the actions of the RIAA and LoC CRB and take come action.

One voice can be loud but a whole lot of voices is louder!

[kirk]

Originally Posted by Rick and Roll

worst-case scenario we'll play independents.

I'm back just in time to say..."Gee, thanks Rick".

Kirk

[Rick and Roll]

Originally Posted by kirk

I'm back just in time to say..."Gee, thanks Rick".

Kirk

That was a Davin quote actually

By the way, what is that avatar?