Yes - Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[Yesspaz]

There is a petition to get Yes into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. All the information can be found here. The June 4th edition of NFTE ends with an article about it and about the petition to get Rhino to remaster Big Generator with the 9 bonus tracks. Do your duty!

[Rick and Roll]

I hate the concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Music is not a contest.

The rock and roll hall of fame is a misnomer. Chubby Checker is in it, and he had exactly two hits:

1) The Twist

and amzingly enough

2) Let's Twist Again


The only thing it's good for is watching Axl Rose play with Elton John (snicker).

Having Yes in the "Hall of Fame" would not increase my enjoyment of their music (unless they made more mediocrity like "Big Generator").

On second thought, maybe they should be in so we can hear Roundabout for the 800th time.

And besides, why should the Hall of Fame be in the U.S.? It should be in Great Britian!

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I hate the concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Music is not a contest.

It's not a contest, but I definitely think there's a definite difference between good and bad music. As proof, the strong opinions of Yesspaz, KeithieW, ProgdirJim, and one Rick and Roll. So, if they are having a RRHOF, then by all means put in Yes. The article I mentioned talks about how Prog is snubbed in the hall. No Yes, Rush, King Crimson, ELP; just Floyd. There are two criterion. #1 is 25 years since first album. #2 is influence on the perpetuation of the Rock and Roll form. Well #1 is done, and with Yes popping up on movie soundtracks like crazy, selling of 35 million albums, still appearing on shows like Craig Kilborn, still being on the radio, oh, and along with King Crimson and The Nice, pretty much starting a whole genre of hundreds of bands, I'd say #2 is done as well. You can't read a review of a semi-artsy rock album without the reviewer saying something like "they not quite as pretentious as Yes, but...". Now that is influence. They may not be in the general public's conscience the way U2, the Bealtes, and Led Zeppelin are, but they are definitely always in the "rock people's" consciences. Put them in the Hall!

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I hate the concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Music is not a contest.

Agreed, but if you look at the RRHOF as a vehicle for recognising something done well I say "Go for it". Yes have done pretty well and given Millions of people a lot of pleasure over the years so a recognition of this type is long overdue.

The rock and roll hall of fame is a misnomer. Chubby Checker is in it, and he had exactly two hits:

1) The Twist

and amzingly enough

2) Let's Twist Again

Yeah well! The only thing I can say about this is the fact that Chubby Checker is probably in there on the votes of Orthopaedic surgeons who have gotten millions of dollars worth of work in hip replacements after Granny and Grandad have twisted themselves into oblivion at thousands of weddings.

The only thing it's good for is watching Axl Rose play with Elton John (snicker).

Elton singing Red Barchetta might be a real blast..............Hmmmmmm.

Having Yes in the "Hall of Fame" would not increase my enjoyment of their music (unless they made more mediocrity like "Big Generator").

On second thought, maybe they should be in so we can hear Roundabout for the 800th time.

It wouldn't increase my enjoyment either but it's good to see them get some additional recognition and maybe point others in their direction so that they can enjoy what we've been hearing for 35 years........and that includes Roundabout.

And besides, why should the Hall of Fame be in the U.S.? It should be in Great Britian!

Huh???? Does not compute..............why?

[Rick and Roll]

I am not debating the merits of whether Yes should be in a hall of fame. We all agree they are one of the best ever. They're in my hall of fame!

I just think the concept of a music hall of fame is dumb dumb and dumb (did I say dumb)?

Sorry, I see it for what it really is - a way for music "pundits" to feel important. And deep down, I don't think Jon Anderson & co give a rat's ass whether they're in the hall of fame.

Actually, I should be happy for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. It was partly reponsible for the Ravens coming to Baltimore. One of the hang-ups for construction of a new stadium for the Cleveland Browns was the fact that the city had put money already into the baseball team and the hall of fame.

As for Keith's question, it's true the blues of the 40's and 50's started rnr. But any self-respecting American knows that the best rock bands started in England. As we always do, we pushy Americans call everything our own.

Here's a question for you. Do you really want Yes in with the likes of Tom Petty and the travesty that is Bruce Springsteen?

[Bob Lentil]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
the travesty that is Bruce Springsteen

Excellent, someone agrees with me about Bruce Springsteen.

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
And deep down, I don't think Jon Anderson & co give a rat's ass whether they're in the hall of fame.

Wrong. I read an interview once where Steve Howe was quite exasperated that Yes had been snubbed again.

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
Do you really want Yes in with the likes of Tom Petty and the travesty that is Bruce Springsteen?

Yes, I do! Tom Petty and Bruce Springsteen are both GREAT! Ya'll honestly think Tom Petty and Bruce Springsteen should NOT be in the "Rock and Roll" hall of fame? There are certain artists that just transcend, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, and the recently inducted Jackson Browne all are representative of the "rock" singer-songwriter ilk, and Yes should be there too to represent their genre. The RnRHoF should have a prog section with Yes, KC, PF, Rush, ELP, and Mike Oldfield (those as the minimum).



Rock started in America? Britain? I'm pretty sure it's both. As Muddy Waters said, "The Blues had a baby, and they named the baby Rock and Roll." Yet the first BIG rock band were the Beatles. American had Buddy Holly. I'd say it pretty much evolved in both places simultaneously.

[Rick and Roll]

Buddy Holly was way after the roots of rock.

Thanks for mentioning Jackson Browne. That means with Springsteen and Petty we have the three stooges.

[progdirjim(Admin)]

Originally posted by Yesspaz
There are certain artists that just transcend, Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, and the recently inducted Jackson Browne all are representative of the "rock" singer-songwriter ilk,

I agree with most of what you wrote Spaz, and I hate the continual deference to British music a lot of Americans seem to feel. Yes, Britain has had a disproportionate amount of good music compared to their population. But the US has had many outstanding acts, and Britain their share of Hacks.

But, my point here is to take exception to Jackson Browne a transcendent. He's a millionaire prima donna wife beater whining about how tough his life is. puh-leeze....

(although I don't mind "Running On Empty", but one album shouldn't qualify you for the hall of fame)

[Yesspaz]

I'm just saying that Jackson Browne's music has lasted. Don't forget "Rock Me on the Water," "The Pretender," and "The Load Out/Stay."

[Rick and Roll]

I like one JB song. Can't remember the name, but he says "that girl could sing..." Even that's a vapid, repetitive song... As a fan of 50's muisic, his cover of "Stay" is as appealing as a Buffett song.

Jim, my point is not a deference, it's the amnesia we have about the truly great early 70's trendsetters like Budgie, Thin Lizzy, etc.


I certainly like my share of what others would call, for lack of a better term, "crap". But for crying out loud, I'll tell you deference...

Bob freakin Dylan? Springsteen? Petty? J.C. Mellonhead? (he does have a good tune or two). These are just OK mainstream stuff. They're treated like gods. Half the time they can't carry a tune.

In the absence of prog and fusion and jazz and funk, give me a good power pop tune over that stuff any day of the week (and twice on Sunday).

[podakayne]

i have done my duty...and yes rick i wholeheartly agree with the travesty that deems itself grandiose enought to call forth a RRHF and name recipients with far, far less of a petigree than YES.

but give what's due it frellin due! If we can get YES in then by all means lets...as for petty, the "boss" (she says with a laugh), i like jackson good poet, well there will always be the taste of the masses.

progressive rick as you know is a very distinct taste...cream always floats to the top.

love poda

thanks for keeping the info flowing Yesspaz

[Rick and Roll]

takes a woman to calm me down........

[MrMagoo]

Originally posted by podakayne
progressive rick as you know is a very distinct taste...cream always floats to the top.

Cream was good too! ;-}

[RogorMortis]

Let us be realistic. Yes har turned several ordinary rock and rollers into serious progs. I still remember turning the knob on my mother's radio across the MW band and suddenly ran into Yes playing "Yours is no Disgrace" on BBC1 Bob Harris in 1971 and I was hooked from that moment to Yes and progressive music.
Therefore in my view Yes deserves renogition and if the RROHF is the place then Let it Be.
But whether Jackson Browne diserves to be there I do not know. I do not own a song from JB and probably never will. And why in America in the first place. That is just a question of money and we can argue to the cows come home where and who.
I'd much rather prefer a statue in Trafalgar Square.

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by RogorMortis
And why in America in the first place. That is just a question of money and we can argue to the cows come home where and who.

It always is the almighty dollar!

I like Andorra, that would be a good place.

[kevishev]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll
I hate the concept of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Music is not a contest.

I have to concur with Rick here....

Putting "Yes" in the RNRHOF would be like putting Dwight David Eisenhower in the hall of fame for Camp Fire Girls. Besides, "Yes" is not a R&R band is it?

And besides, why should the Hall of Fame be in the U.S.? It should be in Great Britian!

I don't know that I'll go along with this one Rick. Rock and Roll was born in America. Although arguably some of the best of the early rock bands in history eminated from Great Britain, it is important to remember that these Brittish pioneers in R&R were mainly influenced by American Bluesmen. Also, the marketing strategies of the American record labels and the spending habits of American teenagers played a large part in the success of those Brittish bands. Not that THAT means anything....

Kev

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll


As for Keith's question, it's true the blues of the 40's and 50's started rnr. But any self-respecting American knows that the best rock bands started in England. As we always do, we pushy Americans call everything our own.

I'm one step ahead of you kev. Looks like we agree here!

But I like Andorra as a home. Or Tierra Del Fuego? Maybe even Bhutan?

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by kevishev
Besides, "Yes" is not a R&R band is it?

At the risk of sounding overly pompous, I believe the genre is called progressive "rock."

"It's nice to see that rock and roll can be fun... Clean fun!" - Steve Howe.

[Eating Lemur]

I remember, while visiting my sister, watching some VH1 program on cable that was doing a countdown of "Top 100 Hard Rock Bands." Of course, to them, hard rock was the same thing as punk, metal, and progressive rock. They had a whole slew of artists on the list such as Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, etc. As they got down to the "better" bands, they were featuring mostly punk and metal. Anyway, it happened that Yes was only number 94 or something like that--I didn't know whether to to take this as a good thing or a bad thing.